29 Nov
2011
29 Nov
'11
10:44 p.m.
Hello Ludovic,
It took me a month to gather all of the material in one place, so sorry for delay with
the reply :)
I've prepared a presentation describing my vision of how collaboration wikis will
change in next few decades
http://prezi.com/nymm70tfdird/next-gen-collaboration-wikis/
Hope that effort was not in vain, and you will find something useful that will help to
make XWiki better.
Regards,
Roman
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From: users-bounces(a)xwiki.org [mailto:users-bounces@xwiki.org] On Behalf Of Ludovic Dubost
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Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Extending XWiki collaboration toolset
I'm not so positive about this. The technology behind the LibreOffice Online version
is a bit tricky and it's not clear how it will work effectively.
We should wait and see.
Some thing for Wave, it's not clear how it will be developped in the future and it
seems that the Google experience had shown that the way they mixed Inbox + Editing
Documents + Chat was not the correct solution (beyond the real time technology in it).
In any case integrating editors for advanced formats is definitively interesting and is
something we should look at. We have the Resilience Research Project (starting in 2012)
on which it is planned to work on Rich Web Editors. More on it will come before the end of
the year. It will include work on Spreadsheet editors. If anybody knows of good Web based
editors for popular formats that we should look at, tell us.
As for real-time this is very interesting also. We have the Wiki 3.0 project
(https://wiki30.xwikisas.com/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome in French) where XWiki SAS is
doing some work with the INRIA LORIA on integrating real time in the Wysiwyg editor (with
technologies similar to Wave). This is work in progress.
I'd love to hear from our devs and users what they think we should have in this area ?
Ludovic
2011/10/18 Guillaume Lerouge <guillaume(a)xwiki.com>
Hi,
I think that this is an interesting and valid point. In the same way
that users can get a preview of OOo-supported attached files right
now, we could integrate use OOo's upcoming HTML5 version in XWiki
(when it's ready). From this article:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/17/libreoffice_porting_ios_androi
d_cloud/
:
*The LibreOffice Online cloud software is built around HTML5 Canvas
and the
GTK+ framework with JavaScript shims, and was developed by SUSE's
GTK+ Michael
Meeks and RedHat's Alex Laarson. It allows complex text layout, large
spreadsheets, WYSIWYG editing, VBA macros, and pivot tables, with the
server side taking almost the entire processor load.*
So that would seem to answer your initial issue :-) You could upload a
.odt file, edit it online from the wiki, save it and it would be
viewable from the wiki or re-downloadable at will.
Guillaume
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Eugen Colesnicov
<ecolesnicov(a)gmail.com
these
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>
> ... the UX of the Wave (in this particular case and because
> Wave is
a
specialized tool) is superior.
I am not agree with you. Good idea - but realisation - terrible!
1. Google used some special interface functions - they thinking,
that possibilities will be web-standarts - but they
got a mistake. For
this reason, Wave working quickly and without problems only on
Google Chrome (only this browser supports all these non-standart functions).
2. Try Wave with Firefox at simple computer (netbook for example) -
cannot
work on big waves (hundred messages)!!! I press
one button and
waiting
3-5
secunds per each symbol. It is not problem of
notebook - Windows 7,
MS Office working great and quickly!
3. Too many errors on scripts - every 5 minutes I got error - script
bla-bla-bla stopped!
I have experience with Google Wave with big waves of hundreds waves
- for this reason I known what I said.
However it's not the Wave I was trying to promote by this thread,
it
was
just an example of advanced user interaction
User-to-User and
User-to-Wiki:
advanced documents editing for most popular types
of documents
(text, spreadsheet, and presentation). I understand the complexity
of this task (it took 20 years for Microsoft to build their MS
Office), but the question
is:
I often consider whether to upload a MS Office
file as an attachment
or maintain the file's content as an XWiki page - and sooner or
later
someone
will come up with such solution ( Open-source
wiki + Open-Source
Google Docs
:) ). So it's not about writing some missing extension - it's about
taking
XWiki to the next level in terms of content
editing.
Roman
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Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 20:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Extending XWiki collaboration toolset
Hi! I am not a developer of XWiki, but I am using XWiki 2 years and
your questions are closed to me.
1. Wave is a new project (as a apache open-source project). It is
started as a Google Wave, after Google "forgot it" and Wave migrated
to the apache incubator. As I know for now - Wave as a independent
open-source project didn't realise yet in production - for this
reason, developers of other platforms right now cannot be sure
exactly of future API, future functionality and other things of Wave
... Discuss about integration with it can be started after Wave will
be released in a production.
2. XWiki is not only a final user-product "from the box" - is a
"base" of your possible product (application). And regarding to
"collaboration"
XWiki
can give to users more and more. For example, as
a small comparison
with Google Wave:
- In XWiki you can add "pages" - same in Wave you can add "waves"
- In XWiki you can write any comments to this page and comments to
the comments (tree organized).
- In XWiki you can sent messages inside XWiki
- In XWiki you can attach any files to this page and you can
organize
view
content of this files using officeviewer macro,
also existing
pictire viewing and charts drawing ...
- In XWiki you can add tasks to this page (exist special macro)
- In XWiki you can connect this page to other pages (wiki,
documentation,
etc)
- In XWiki you can construct personal dashboards and gadgets
- Also existing light calculations. If you need more calculations -
you
can
write own macro ...
What else exists in Google Wave and don't exists in XWiki? I don't
know
...
(maybe another idea of interface). XWiki give you
more - because you
can add additional macros, add additional functionality (for example
blogs,
forums,
etc). For this reason, I think, that XWiki is
enought for colaboration.
Difference from Google Wave - that you need to "construct" in XWiki
you
own
"application". You can see examples of
such applications:
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Chronopolys
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