Hi Wouter,
On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Wouter de Vos wrote:
Hi Users,
After some mails with Vincent and Scott the idea was born to make a
strip-down-xwiki guide.
The reason for this is the fact that for a lot of novice users, xwiki seems
at the first glance to complex to handle.
By making a strip-down Guide we hope to make Xwiki more accessible for a
broader audience, and thus generate more users worldwide.
In order to make this strip-down Guide as complete as possible, I would like
to ask all of you to post your thoughts and ideas on this.
For starters, here are mine, if they are allready easily solved, let me
know:
I wasn't expecting this kind of feedback. For me the idea of this thread was to
discuss things that the user could want to hide. A lot of what you mention isn't about
hiding. Let's take them one by one.
-Make the search function easier to adapt.
For instance, I have multiple spaces, and i want that the search function
only searches in certain, predifened spaces and shows the results within the
space the search was started from.
This isn't about hiding. The search can already filter the spaces to search into
(there's a combo box on the search page for that. Can you tell us precisely what
doesn't work with the current solution?
-An easy way to create a template so that users cannot
copy paste in
whatever form and shape they want, but it shows a line where they can type
in the header, and below the content. All in the same style.
I'm not sure what you call "template".
We already have the notion of page templates, see the Administration application
documentation on
extensions.xwiki.org.
-An easy way to show-hide the comments box on the
bottom of the page. At the
moment I use a solution where I include a document with the script to do
this in, in every page. This should be dealt with globally, and possible for
people without a lot of programming knowledge.
Yes we need this. The solution to this is what Marius is currently working on in the
context of App Within Minutes, i.e. the ability to specify for any page what sheet it uses
to display its content. Marius can probably elaborate more on this.
-The sandgrains work, but not from one space to
another, at the moment I use
the include Makro to maintain my saindgrain navigation intact, but it would
be far easier if documents from other spaces where I link to, adapt the
parent from the space where I started from.
I have no clue what sandgrain means. What is it?
-The Logo has a predefined link to the main wiki,
Not true. It has a link to the current wiki.
which causes endusers in a
space, when they click on this, to get to the main wiki page, and it
confuses them. I would like an easy way (not by editing the global.vm
template!) to personalize this.
I'm not convinced at all by this. I think you might be wanting to use XEM instead of
XE since you seem to be using spaces to completely segment projects. Please confirm.
-A wide spread opinion says, that you can just give
users rights to certain
documents.
I don't understand why you're talking about opinion and widespread. This is well
documented.
But if an enduser can see a document, but not open it,
the
endusers feels as if there are secrets kept from him.
Well that's exactly what it is about! Putting rights so that only some people can see
some documents means keeping secrets inside so that others don't see them. Otherwise
just use the default right which is wiki-oriented and which allows people to view/edit all
documents… ;)
I want an easier way
to hide these documents completey, but show them to other users who are
allowed to see them in the same space.
Yes. It's a big change to do but we already discussed this in the past and agreed that
document names shouldn't be visible when the user doesn't have view rights on the
document. There might even be a jira issue about this but I can't find it. You could
create a new one so that we remember it.
-Expand and collaps user generated panels
If I create panels, their initial state is allways open, I can close them,
but when I go to anothere page, it shows the panels open again. Is it
possible to make check box within each panel in the panel wizard that allows
me to change this?
I thought this was already implemented using cookies but can't find it anymore in the
code.
Found this in jira:
http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XE-325
http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-1308
Many of these points here may seem irrelevant to many
of the longtime
developers, but a lot of questions within this userlist have to do with the
usability.
For your understanding, I come from a total different corner then most of
you. I come from CM, not from programming.
But I think if we can work together on this, Xwiki will gain more users in
the end.
If anyone sees this different, let me know, lets communicate so I can start
working on the Strip down Guide.
These are interesting questions but I had a different vision for the strip down guide. My
idea was only to list ways to hide/remove parts of the default UI.
I think what Caty mentioned in her response email s interesting, i.e. defining some
flavors precisely in term of both UI and extensions they should contain.
Thanks!
-Vincent
And to all you programming masterminds out there, keep
up the great work, it
made Xwiki to that what is today, thank you so much for all the efforts.
With Kind regards,
Wouter