27 Apr
2017
27 Apr
'17
3:23 p.m.
I've created this form to gather data about the buttons usage, in order to
make a proposal for the buttons location
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeQwjxlFl321Ap97xKlYRcf-39wlG-cJXX…
Hope everyone is comfortable with Google Forms.
Thanks,
Caty
On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Denis GERMAIN <dt.germain(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Great proposition ! I like it.
I see that the subject has also diverted to the fact that you can "save and
continue" and "save and view". Some of our users are lost the first time
as
they click "save and continue" and don't understand why they are still in
edit mode. Clarifying this would indeed be a good idea, even though they
usually get the distinction quickly after that.
Regards,
Denis
2017-04-26 17:01 GMT+02:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>om>:
the
a
be
especially
users).
xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
> IdeaVisibleSave/UsageFebApr2017.png>
> >
> > Now let's see the heatmaps:
> > - Sandbox.WebHome:
> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
> IdeaVisibleSave/Sandbox-Home.png <http://design.xwiki.org/
> xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaVisibleSave/Sandbox-Home.png>
> > - Sandbox.TestPage1:
> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
> IdeaVisibleSave/Sandbox-TestPage1.png <http://design.xwiki.org/
> xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaVisibleSave/Sandbox-TestPage1.png>
> > - Sandbox.Test.WebHome:
> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
> IdeaVisibleSave/Sandbox-Test.png <http://design.xwiki.org/
> xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaVisibleSave/Sandbox-Test.png>
> >
> > From these heatmaps we see that 'Preview' has the most usage and
after
it
be
> > great if more advanced / long-term users of XWiki would summaries a bit
they
and
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Craig Wright
<crw+xwiki(a)crw.xyz> wrote:
> Hi Caty,
>
> I am a fan of “B”.
>
> I like the idea of putting the changelog and autosave options above on
a
> preceding row. I would argue that for most
users, their eyes only see
the
> leftmost buttons as the functionally useful
area. Thus putting Cancel
on
the far
right effectively “hides” the button.
Yes, the most visible buttons are the ones on the left side and that's purpose. We need people to see the Save button
:)
Now, 'summary' functionality is not mandatory when editing and can also
be
disabled from Administration - Editing.
Having it on a separate line is not an option since we initial idea of
the
thread is to provide a fixed bottom bar, when the
viewport is small. So
there are all on a single bar in order to be compact.
That
For the purposes of mobile, I think it is acceptable to hide the
changelog
and autosave options on small-screen resolutions.
(Such as when I am
editing from iPhone, I am highly unlikely to leave a changelog message
anyway.)
I haven't iterated much on the mobile version, but the mockup I have is
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
IdeaVisibleSave/mobile.png
It can be improved, and as you said we could decide that on mobile we can
hide some functionality, but again hard to have stats to justify what is
used/needed or not.
Thanks,
Caty
FWIW, taborder should be the following:
1. Edit input
2. Changelog input
3. Save button
4. Preview button
5. Cancel button
6. Autosave option
My $0.02. :)
Thanks,
Craig
and
> >> View”. Dropping the “and Continue” is a great step, but I would go
> farther
> >> and give “Save and View” the emphasis color (blue, in this case). On Apr 26, 2017, at 2:20 PM, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Craig Wright <crw+xwiki(a)crw.xyz
<mailto:crw+xwiki@crw.xyz>> wrote:
>
>> Overall I like these changes. A couple of suggestions:
>>
>> No one in my community understands “Save and Continue” versus “Save > is
> >> the more highly understood behavior. “Save” (and continue editing)
is
>>
useful but not as generally useful as “Save and View”. Especially if
you
> >> are dropping Preview.
> >>
> >> FWIW, I use Preview more often from WYSIWYG mode since there is not 1:1
If I
> >> had to rate which buttons I use the most frequently, “Cancel” would > translation of editor view to page view.
Whereas, when I am editing
source,
>> I can predict how it will look most of the time. :)
>>
>> I would also move the Cancel button over next to the other buttons. > at
> >> the top, followed by “Save and View,” followed very very distantly
by
> “Save
> >> and Continue."
> >>
> >>
> > This is very interesting behavior. I would love to be able to have
some
> > usage stats, but with XWiki being
installable and independently
hosted,
>
stats are always hard to get by.
>
> Personally I use "Save" a lot (I like to save often in order to not
lose
> > stuff), but I usually use the keyboard shortcut, not necessarily the
> > button. It is true that 'Preview' in WYSIWYG has its usages, > when
using macros or nested macros, since the result is not accurate.
>
> Regarding "Save & View" I always do it as a final step, while I never
use
> "Cancel" - i just navigate away or
hit the browser's 'Back'.
>
> Also in terms of functionality the "Autosave" can be used instead of
the
> > "Save", so we can remove 'Save' (especially in case of
advanced
So the only stats I have are from the http://playground.xwiki.org <
http://playground.xwiki.org/> from the
past 2 months. These are the top 3 pages edited,
see
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaVisibleSave/
UsageFebApr2017.png <http://design.xwiki.org/ is
first
> > button from left-to-right, so it's assumed as the primary action.
> >
> > So if the initial proposal was 'varA', what do you think about
'varB'?
> "Save&View", with no usage for
"Save & Continue" and "Cancel".
> Not we need to take into account 2 aspects: Sandbox is used by
first-time
users of
XWiki and they usually are afraid to mess things up so the
Preview
> is comforting for them. Also in the current layout 'Preview' is the - var A [Save; Save & View]:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
IdeaVisibleSave/varA.png
<http://design.xwiki.org/
xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaVisibleSave/varA.png>
- var B [Save & View; Preview]:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
IdeaVisibleSave/varB.png
<http://design.xwiki.org/
xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaVisibleSave/varB.png>
- var C [Save & View; Save]:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
IdeaVisibleSave/varC.png
<http://design.xwiki.org/
xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaVisibleSave/varC.png>
Note: users that went to 'Preview', usually come back to the previous
view,
IdeaVisibleSave/Sandbox-Test-preview.png <http://design.xwiki.org/
xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/IdeaVisibleSave/Sandbox-Test-preview.png>
>
> I left 'Cancel' at the end, in order to be the last button and have
> visibility (not get lost in all the other options). Users need to use as
best.
an 'escape' route, so it's better to
find it fast and always have a
static
> position = last. For this usually the first and last positions are >
> My initial rationale to remove 'Preview' from the WYSIWYG editor was
that
WYSIWYG
does life preview, so I though not many users use it, since I
never
> used it. Seeing the stats for newcomers is impressive, still it would their button usage, so we could take a more informed
decision. XWiki
needs
> to accommodate both newcomers, but also long term users.
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
>> Nice work!
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2017, at 6:21 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
>> valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> We had some users complaining that the first time they edit a page >>> don't know how to save it.
Depending on the screen resolution, the
save
> >>> buttons since they are at the bottom of the page are not visible some
>>> users don't know they need to scroll in order to see them.
>>>
>>> We want to make some changes to XWiki, that:
>>> - Display the save buttons in a fixed bottom bar, when they are out
of
>> the
>>> viewport, see
>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
>> IdeaVisibleSave/bottomBar.png
>>> - When the user scroll, the buttons go into their position, see
>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
>> IdeaVisibleSave/after.png
>>> - We compacted the bottom functionalities (summary, minor,
auto-save),
>> see
>>> before:
>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
>> IdeaVisibleSave/before.png
>>> after:
>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
>> IdeaVisibleSave/smallViewPort.png
>>>
>>> What do you think about this proposal? Would it improve the
visibility
of
>> the buttons? Do you have other ideas? Is
it something we should
> implement?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Caty