2 Nov
2010
2 Nov
'10
11:12 p.m.
Hi Vincent, all,
See below
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On Nov 2, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Thibaut Camberlin wrote:
Then we should probably hide them from the WYSIWYG tooIbar too, I guess ;)
Seriously, the space could be blacklisted, but it should be discussed,
I'm not sure we want to have only admins seing it (personally I see
that space as being "documentation on macros existing in the wiki"
before being "a place to create new macros" - so not so technical in
the end).
Maybe in some distant future we should have an intermediary level
between "Normal users" and "Admins". BTW do users that chose to be
"Advanced Users" in their profile see the blacklisted spaces ? Maybe
the intermediary level could be this one.
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Jerome Velociter
<jerome(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
I don't quite agree. Standard users shouldn't see this space. it's something
technical and 99% of wiki users don't want/need to see it (and they won't even
understand it). So for me this space would need to be hidden from simple users (same as
for other tech spaces). Actually I've been thinking maybe we could
provide a Macros/ space
with XE. The home page would be a improved version of the current
XWiki.WikiMacros page (adding for example a ClassSheet for macros, a
form to create a new macro, some documentation, etc.)
WDYT?
This polishing would empower a standard user to use this XWiki advanced
feature.
I'm not sure what the proposal is about exactly.
Well it's not a proposal yet, rather an idea.
Some open questions: Would the macros stay where they
are currently located?
If you ask me some should be moved already (like {{spaces}} and
{{tags}}), since they are located in documents that already have
another purpose, and thus can not benefit from a potential
WikiMacroClassSheet (that for example could display the usage of the
macro and its parameters ; thus becoming a sort of self-contained
documentation for the held macro)
Shouldn't macros stay with their apps?
Yes they should.
Right now we don't even have a rule for where to put applications
documents (in their own space ? with a Code suffix ? in the XWiki
space ? somewhere else ?)
I think the (not existing) UI at Macros.WebHome should retrieve and
list documents from the entire wiki, not just the Macros space. Same
as the scheduler (I changed that behavior just recently by the way - I
wanted my application scheduler jobs in my application space, not in
the Scheduler space - see http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XASCH-56)
Does it mean a new platform/application in svn?
There is already one : the "wikibridge" I think, with just one
document now (the name is not correct though, I agree)
What macros go there? When do we use wiki macros vs
java macros (we haven't really decided on this I think)?
I'm quite sure you will not agree, but I would say generic (i.e. not
tied to a particular application) wiki macros could go there. For
example {{spaces /}} or even {{activity /}} which goes beyond just the
dashboard app.
Will java macros also be listed on that home page
(they should IMO)?
Yes they should. Maybe not under the exact same form, but they
definitely should be listed and documented here
Generally speaking I'm rather +1 (I'd like macros to stay in their apps though).
Cool. I'm +1 too and +1 to have the possibility for apps to bring
their own macros.
Jerome.
Thanks
-Vincent
PS: I didn't even know about http://localhost:8080/xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/WikiMacros ;)
I wonder why it's not already using a livetable....
Here is my +1.
>
> Jerome
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Arnaud bourree <arnaud.bourree(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> 2010/11/2 Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>om>:
>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:14, Caleb James DeLisle
>>> <calebdelisle(a)lavabit.com> wrote:
>>>> If you're contributing a macro then just log in and fgo to this
page.
>>>> http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/CreateMacro
>>>> It will put the macro in the Macros space and automatically add it to
> the index.
>>>> Thanks for contributing to code.xwiki.org ;)
>>>
>>> I think Thomas was talking about his how macro space, not where to put
>>> contributed macro documentation.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, thanks Thomas,
>> I decided to used Macros space.
>>
>> Arnaud.
>>
>>>>
>>>> Caleb
>>>>
>>>> On 11/02/2010 04:57 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote:
>>>>> 2010/11/2 Caleb James DeLisle <calebdelisle(a)lavabit.com>om>:
>>>>>> In your own wiki I think you want to put macros in a space where
you
> will be able to find them
>>>>>> easily. The XWiki space is full of important internals and I
wouldn't
> recommend putting any macros
>>>>>> in there.
>>>>>> "Macros" sounds like a fine choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> I ask question more for macro we contribute to
>>>>>
>>>>> Arnaud.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Caleb
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/02/2010 04:40 AM, Arnaud bourree wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where is the best space to put macros?
>>>>>>> I check in some macro from code.xwiki.org, and find that
macros are
>>>>>>> commonly put in XWiki, Macros or Macro space.
>>>>>>> I've a preference for Macros as it self explanatory and I
think
> XWiki
>>>>>>> space more dedicated to XE pages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Arnaud.
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