20 May
2010
20 May
'10
6:18 p.m.
A small variation for Version 3
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3AProposal
Changes:
- improved the display of inheritance of rights within a role
description;
- emphasize the display of "Inherited"|"Allow"|"Deny" by
using color and
icon representation.
For Rights version 4 I'll remove the concept of Role.
Thanks,
Caty
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 15:30, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 21:04, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 16:33, Ecaterina Valica
<valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
valicac(a)gmail.com
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Page
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Proposal
(he
want.
realistic
proposal
Denis, thanks for the extra info
Caty
Hi Denis,
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 16:52, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:39, Ecaterina Valica
<valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 18:29, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> >
> > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 17:08, Guillaume Lerouge <
guillaume(a)xwiki.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:03, Ecaterina Valica < >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I've reviewed some of your feedback and added them to
Rights
> > Management
> > > > UI
> > > > > Proposal *VERSION 3*:
> > > > >
> > > > > *Partial Prototype*
> > > > >
> > > > > - Wiki Level:
> > > > >
> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Wiki
> >
> > - Space Level:
> > > >
> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Space
> > > > > - Page Level:
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > > *Desired Interaction*
> > > >
> > > > -
> > > >
> > >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Caty
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I like the separation between rights definition and rights
> affectation.
> > > > Only
> > > >
> > >
> > > Nice indeed, but I do not understand how it could fits with
current
> > > implementation.
> > >
> > >
> > > > downside -> inherited rights are displayed less clearly than
what
> they
> > > were
> > > > in version 2.
> > > >
> > >
> > > and I do not see any inherited information anymore.
> > >
> >
> > For example, in Space Level
> > http://localhost:8084/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Space
> > the text in yellow represents the inherited users and inherited
roles
> from
> > upper level.
> >
> > The text in black (evalica with Reviewer and the Reviewer
definition)
is
http://localhost:8084/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights3Proposal/addU6…
> specified only for this level.
>
> After the save the added "Reviewer" right is gonna look like this:
>
>
Thanks for these precision, I have better understand your idea.
(Personally
I have some difficulties with colors (partially
color blind), so
information
based on colors is not always easy for me.)
So you're a great test candidate :). I also received a mail from Roman wanted icons to represent rights), so what I can
do for you is to try a
version with color + little icon to represent
"Inherited"|"Allow"|"Deny". I
will think about it.
I think that could be nice to have more visual than color information
for inheritance. The way it was in proposal 2 was fine, since this was
more
intensity than color.
And I will be pleased to be your candidate. Be careful that using icons
for
representing specific rights could add complexity when (later) components
add new rights dynamically.
>
>
> > >
> > > So, proposal 3 seems less interesting than proposal 2. I do not
see
> what
> > it
> > > solves based on previous comments either.
> > > Caty, could you explain further your goals with this proposal ?
> > >
> >
> > I tried in proposal 3 to make it more easy to use. People told me
that
> they
> > didn't understood the "Containing Spaces/Pages" so I've
removed it.
> > This proposal gives the users the possibility to create Roles that
can
> have
> > semantically value to them and thus making the rights more easy to
use.
>
> This proposal accommodates the case: "Not sure it's scalable. In the
future
> applications/components will be able to register new rights".
> Having the rights displayed vertically and only on Add, makes the UI
more
> > scalable, and in the code we could add as many rights as we would > > Also
> > the spaces is now more economical having just
"Allow"/"Deny"
columns.
>
I completely agree that proposal 3 is clearer. The problem is that
your samples and the structure of this proposal are really far from
current
> implementation.
> Proposal 2 were fitting better but the samples where also not and
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Proposal#HN…
remarks from Thomas about global wiki users
should also be integrated.
About Thomas feedback, don't you like
?
>
> So, I am puzzle by your goals here. Aren't we going too fast ?
> Since there is very poor documentation about the way XWiki rights
works
(I
inheritance
would be happy to improve that, but it will
require some time), I have
the
> impression that there is a important misunderstanding of how is
future
effectively applied. So the design of a proper UI
is not easy. I have
also
read the draft of Sergiu that aims to improve the
documentation, but
either
> I have not understand it or it does not describe current behavior.
>
> So the question is for me, are we designing this UI to think about
possibilities or to replace the current UI ?
My purpose is "to make rights easy to use at last". IMO this means do
whatever it takes to make them "easy to use" :) I try to base my on
existing code, but I never disregard new functionalities that I can add
if
this means the UI and experience is gonna be
improved.
The only thing Rights version 3 is adding is the "Role" part, which is
some
kind of groups for rights. If the solution given
is gonna be convincing
enough to be use in the rights part (not yet .... but maybe some version
of
it) I'm sure there will be someone that is
gonna want to implement it.
Until
then I will continue to prototype and find out how we can add all that
functionality in one place.
Well, this precisely the grouping of right that is a big change.
Currently,
right are inherit individually, not as a group.
Moreover, the inheritance is a little bit particular, since allowing a
given
right at lower level, will deny that same right for anybody else even if
this right is allowed at a higher level.
Said another way, once an allowance for a given right has been found and
you
are not part of it, you are denied.
Of course, there is an exception to this rules regarding global admin
rights, these ones are evaluated before and gets priority.
I would agree if you find this to be not the correct way of evaluating
right, but this is the way it works since the beginning. There is also an
option to evaluate rights based on a hierarchy of spaces, but this one is
usually disabled. It will probably be revived when such hierarchy of space
are bring back using the new reference model.
So, I am convinced that current right management is poor, but changing it
will require important changes, and time.
Hope you get a better idea of my concerns. For detailled information on
how
rights are processed, you may want to have a look at
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiRightServiceReversed.
This
is really bare documentation of the code, but it tells the truths.
Denis
And yes... I need to focus more on the inheritance again.
Thanks,
Caty
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> Thanks,
> Caty
>
> >
> > Denis
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Also, a drop-down might be better than an autosuggest when
selecting
> > which
> > > right should be added to a role.
> > >
> > > Guillaume
> > >
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