4 Sep
2009
4 Sep
'09
1:08 p.m.
Hi,
Because we want to make a standard from vertical-aligned form, this means
the buttons should be left-ordered with the most important action first.
This should be changed also in Toucan and Albatross skin, not only just in
Colibri.
Right now the Edit Actions are "Cancel", "Preview",
"Save&Continue",
"Save&View".
What do you think is the right order for them when they are left-aligned?
(A) Save&View, Save&Continue, Preview, Cancel (as it is - just in reverse)
(B) Save&View, Preview, Save&Continue, Cancel
(C) Preview, Save&Continue, Save&View, Cancel
(D) other variation
Remarks:
- "Cancel" should be *last* because it's a terminal (takes you out of the
editor), no-saving action. This is the least important.
- "Save & View" is also a terminal action (takes you out of the editor) -
having it* first* you have the 2 terminal actions at extremities.
- "Preview" is the least damaging action in case of accidental submit
(Silvia + Marta) - should be *first*?
- Some people use ("Preview" + "Save&Continue") {many times} +
"Save&View"
{final}
- Other people just use "Save&Continue" + "Save & View"
{final}, never
"Preview", etc
- What is the necessity for the "Preview" button in a WYSIYWG editor? On the
other hand "Preview" is very important if you edit in "Wiki" mode.
- Should "Preview" separate the two other SAVING actions? (Marta)
- Should "Save&Continue" separate the two other VIEW actions?
Thanks,
Caty
4 Sep
4 Sep
2:05 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] [xwiki-devs] [UX] Edit Buttons Order
Ecaterina Valica wrote:
Hi,
Because we want to make a standard from vertical-aligned form, this means
the buttons should be left-ordered with the most important action first.
This should be changed also in Toucan and Albatross skin, not only just in
Colibri.
Right now the Edit Actions are "Cancel", "Preview",
"Save&Continue",
"Save&View".
What do you think is the right order for them when they are left-aligned?
(A) Save&View, Save&Continue, Preview, Cancel (as it is - just in reverse)
(B) Save&View, Preview, Save&Continue, Cancel
(C) Preview, Save&Continue, Save&View, Cancel
(D) other variation
I was going to vote for (C) without further thought, but there's one
important issue you raised: in the WYSIWYG editor the preview is not
that useful. Here are some more arguments in favor of putting Preview first:
When a non WYSIWYG editor is used, it's critical to use the Preview
button, and putting it first helps. For consistency, the number and
order of the buttons should be the same in all editors.
The problem with the Cancel button being first was that it was the
default form button, so pressing enter in a non-textarea field was the
same as clicking cancel, thus the "oh my 50 minutes work is all gone"
frustration. Preview is the least destructive action: it does not cause
data loss, it does not cause an accidental save of work in progress
data. Thus, it should be the first button.
Even in the WYSIWYG editor, sometimes Preview helps. The width and
height of the content is not the same, the panels are different, the
background might be different (IIRC the WYSIWYG always uses a white
background, while the theme might be different), the macros look
different...
Remarks:
- "Cancel" should be *last* because it's a terminal (takes you out of the
editor), no-saving action. This is the least important.
+1
- "Save & View" is also a terminal
action (takes you out of the editor) -
having it* first* you have the 2 terminal actions at extremities.
+0.5
- "Preview" is the least damaging action in
case of accidental submit
(Silvia + Marta) - should be *first*?
+1
- Some people use ("Preview" +
"Save&Continue") {many times} + "Save&View"
{final}
- Other people just use "Save&Continue" + "Save & View"
{final}, never
"Preview", etc
- What is the necessity for the "Preview" button in a WYSIYWG editor? On the
other hand "Preview" is very important if you edit in "Wiki" mode.
- Should "Preview" separate the two other SAVING actions? (Marta)
- Should "Save&Continue" separate the two other VIEW actions?
So, final vote for me, (C)
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5:07 p.m.
Ecaterina Valica wrote:
Hi,
Because we want to make a standard from vertical-aligned form, this means
the buttons should be left-ordered with the most important action first.
This should be changed also in Toucan and Albatross skin, not only just in
Colibri.
Right now the Edit Actions are "Cancel", "Preview",
"Save&Continue",
"Save&View".
What do you think is the right order for them when they are left-aligned?
(A) Save&View, Save&Continue, Preview, Cancel (as it is - just in reverse)
(B) Save&View, Preview, Save&Continue, Cancel
(C) Preview, Save&Continue, Save&View, Cancel
+1
Thanks,
Marius
(D) other variation
Remarks:
- "Cancel" should be *last* because it's a terminal (takes you out of the
editor), no-saving action. This is the least important.
- "Save & View" is also a terminal action (takes you out of the editor) -
having it* first* you have the 2 terminal actions at extremities.
- "Preview" is the least damaging action in case of accidental submit
(Silvia + Marta) - should be *first*?
- Some people use ("Preview" + "Save&Continue") {many times} +
"Save&View"
{final}
- Other people just use "Save&Continue" + "Save & View"
{final}, never
"Preview", etc
- What is the necessity for the "Preview" button in a WYSIYWG editor? On the
other hand "Preview" is very important if you edit in "Wiki" mode.
- Should "Preview" separate the two other SAVING actions? (Marta)
- Should "Save&Continue" separate the two other VIEW actions?
Thanks,
Caty
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5:14 p.m.
+1 for (C)
Thanks,
Silvia
Ecaterina Valica-2 wrote:
What do you think is the right order for them when they are left-aligned?
(A) Save&View, Save&Continue, Preview, Cancel (as it is - just in reverse)
(B) Save&View, Preview, Save&Continue, Cancel
(C) Preview, Save&Continue, Save&View, Cancel
(D) other variation
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5:17 p.m.
-1 for "quit" i does not say what append to modifications, are they
saved, etc. "Cancel" means what it means it's a lots more clear for
the user.
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 17:14, Silvia Rusu<silvia.rusu(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
+1 for (C)
Thanks,
Silvia
Ecaterina Valica-2 wrote:
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What do you think is the right order for them when they are left-aligned?
(A) Save&View, Save&Continue, Preview, Cancel (as it is - just in reverse)
(B) Save&View, Preview, Save&Continue, Cancel
(C) Preview, Save&Continue, Save&View, Cancel
(D) other variation
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6:41 p.m.
Ecaterina Valica wrote:
Hi,
Because we want to make a standard from vertical-aligned form, this means
the buttons should be left-ordered with the most important action first.
This should be changed also in Toucan and Albatross skin, not only just in
Colibri.
Right now the Edit Actions are "Cancel", "Preview",
"Save&Continue",
"Save&View".
What do you think is the right order for them when they are left-aligned?
(A) Save&View, Save&Continue, Preview, Cancel (as it is - just in reverse)
(B) Save&View, Preview, Save&Continue, Cancel
(C) Preview, Save&Continue, Save&View, Cancel
(D) other variation
Remarks:
- "Cancel" should be *last* because it's a terminal (takes you out of the
editor), no-saving action. This is the least important.
- "Save & View" is also a terminal action (takes you out of the editor) -
having it* first* you have the 2 terminal actions at extremities.
- "Preview" is the least damaging action in case of accidental submit
(Silvia + Marta) - should be *first*?
- Some people use ("Preview" + "Save&Continue") {many times} +
"Save&View"
{final}
- Other people just use "Save&Continue" + "Save & View"
{final}, never
"Preview", etc
I am one of those people, but "Preview" is useful also when you are a
beginner.
- What is the necessity for the "Preview"
button in a WYSIYWG editor? On the
other hand "Preview" is very important if you edit in "Wiki" mode.
- Should "Preview" separate the two other SAVING actions? (Marta)
- Should "Save&Continue" separate the two other VIEW actions?
Thanks,
Caty
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+1 for (C).
Thx,
Oana
7:34 p.m.
I'm a little bit worried about the continue.
Continuing can also be to next event in a basic process of editing.
I.e. : see finalized page.
User may think :
"Continue where? To what I'm doing? To what I would do after saving ?
To what I would do after editing?
Ho ok, view maybe to view the page finalized so I guess I continue editing"
Make the user thinking stop the fluent navigation. An egonome even
named a book "don't make me think".
The argument about cancel seems good to me.
Proposals :
[Preview] [Save & go to page] [Save] [Cancel] ---------- (+1)
[Preview] [Save & close editor] [Save] [Cancel]
However there is a lot of +1 about see/continue so if people did not
have to think it the first time they came to page it means it's ok.
;-)
2009/9/4 Oana Tabaranu <oana.tabaranu(a)xwiki.com>om>:
Ecaterina Valica wrote:
Hi,
Because we want to make a standard from vertical-aligned form, this means
the buttons should be left-ordered with the most important action first.
This should be changed also in Toucan and Albatross skin, not only just in
Colibri.
Right now the Edit Actions are "Cancel", "Preview",
"Save&Continue",
"Save&View".
What do you think is the right order for them when they are left-aligned?
(A) Save&View, Save&Continue, Preview, Cancel (as it is - just in reverse)
(B) Save&View, Preview, Save&Continue, Cancel
(C) Preview, Save&Continue, Save&View, Cancel
(D) other variation
Remarks:
- "Cancel" should be *last* because it's a terminal (takes you out of the
editor), no-saving action. This is the least important.
- "Save & View" is also a terminal action (takes you out of the editor) -
having it* first* you have the 2 terminal actions at extremities.
- "Preview" is the least damaging action in case of accidental submit
(Silvia + Marta) - should be *first*?
- Some people use ("Preview" + "Save&Continue") {many times} +
"Save&View"
{final}
- Other people just use "Save&Continue" + "Save & View"
{final}, never
"Preview", etc
I am one of those people, but "Preview" is useful also when you are a
beginner.
- What is the necessity for the
"Preview" button in a WYSIYWG editor? On the
other hand "Preview" is very important if you edit in "Wiki" mode.
- Should "Preview" separate the two other SAVING actions? (Marta)
- Should "Save&Continue" separate the two other VIEW actions?
Thanks,
Caty
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+1 for (C).
Thx,
Oana
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14 Sep
11:04 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] [xwiki-devs] [UX] Edit Buttons Order
Ecaterina Valica wrote:
Hi,
Because we want to make a standard from vertical-aligned form, this means
the buttons should be left-ordered with the most important action first.
This should be changed also in Toucan and Albatross skin, not only just in
Colibri.
I just noticed the change made on all skins, and I don't find it comfortable to
have this change in toucan because:
I think, as in the case of titles policy, that we're building a new, better skin
and changes like this should be in the new skin. I find it disturbing to have
different order for buttons than I was used to, and, although I agree to get
used to it in a new skin, I don't find it appropriate that I have to get used to
it on the old skin too.
I think users should be able to preserve their beloved skin which they're used
to if they want, including buttons order.
Caty motivated this change across all skins with the fact that form design
(alignments, buttons order, et all) it's a platform standard and platform
changes are applied to all skins.
I think these standards are UI/UX/ergonomy standards and they should only be
preserved across a skin. On the very same platform one could build a right
aligned skin, it doesn't impact the platform in any way, I don't see why we
would impose this as a "platform thing".
This is the type of annoying change for a user (I keep going to the wrong side
of the screen with my mouse) and, while I'm ok with getting used to it on a new
skin, I find it slightly frustrating on the skin I was used to.
Happy coding,
Anca
Right now the Edit Actions are "Cancel", "Preview",
"Save&Continue",
"Save&View".
What do you think is the right order for them when they are left-aligned?
(A) Save&View, Save&Continue, Preview, Cancel (as it is - just in reverse)
(B) Save&View, Preview, Save&Continue, Cancel
(C) Preview, Save&Continue, Save&View, Cancel
(D) other variation
Remarks:
- "Cancel" should be *last* because it's a terminal (takes you out of the
editor), no-saving action. This is the least important.
- "Save & View" is also a terminal action (takes you out of the editor) -
having it* first* you have the 2 terminal actions at extremities.
- "Preview" is the least damaging action in case of accidental submit
(Silvia + Marta) - should be *first*?
- Some people use ("Preview" + "Save&Continue") {many times} +
"Save&View"
{final}
- Other people just use "Save&Continue" + "Save & View"
{final}, never
"Preview", etc
- What is the necessity for the "Preview" button in a WYSIYWG editor? On the
other hand "Preview" is very important if you edit in "Wiki" mode.
- Should "Preview" separate the two other SAVING actions? (Marta)
- Should "Save&Continue" separate the two other VIEW actions?
Thanks,
Caty
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Sergiu Dumitriu -
Silvia Rusu -
Thibaut DEVERAUX -
Thomas Mortagne