Hi fellow XWiki users, I've spent the last couple weeks working on designing mockups for the new version of the WYSIWYG editor that's currently in the works. I've put all my work on this page : http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorInterface and I'd be glad to gather initial user feedback on these mockups. Please tell us what you think about them now so that we can improve the screens before implementation begins at full speed. Specifically, I'm wondering about the following things : - Can the text be improved to make things easier to understand ? If so, where ? - Are some features harder to reach than they should ? - Are dialog boxes & trays consistent with user models of how edition software usually behaves ? - Do you see anything that will make an user wonder what's happening and where he / she should click next ? Please note that the colors are only indicative at this stage - a designer will improve my work before we get to the final stage. I'll try incorporate your feedback soon and will let you know how the subseuent development goes. Thanks in advance, Guillaume -- Guillaume Lerouge Product Manager - XWiki Skype ID : wikibc http://blog.xwiki.com/

is the winner here) or the use of browsers like OmniWeb to do find/replace actions. Won't be these features included in the new WYSIWYG editor?

2. Have you already considered internationalization issues? How could we contribute to launch the new editor simultaneously in some other languages?

3. As we try to use XWiki as the entry point for our workflow, import must not be of major importance for us (of course, it will really welcome as we usually receive, and keep receiving, contributions in these formats). But export, at least to RTF, is "critical" for us. Independently of the method used to export or to import (I see that officeimporter comes from a GSoC initiative) documents, why does the import menu is in the WYSIWYG and the export options only in the upper one? I understand that the export process could be accessed without editing a document, but perhaps users could expect to find the export options close to the import ones in the editor.

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Hi, Globally I like it. Great :-) I forgot about that, I'll add them. They might be merged with the "link to web page", I'll try some options. {table} , {image} , {attach} , {toc} : all of them are macros :-) I put it there because I feel it has a special importance and is used more often than other macros, but it would fit nicely under the macros menu as well. I'd say 1 macro per category and the ability to add an additional level of

depth if our macro headcount grows too far. Howeverthis might not be a good idea (too many drop-down menus isn't good) so I'll try designing a dialog box for macro selection. You can see them in the feature mindmap right above on the page. Look at the image more closely : it shows up as an attachment in the search results list and you can create a link by clicking on the button.

I'd say by everyone and provide the author column to let the user filter by himself only if he wants to. Right, I'll fix that. Right. I'll add both. > BTW In English there's no space before ":" > > 10) Link Settings > * Not sure I like the fact that you can set tooltip/etc when creating > the link. I'm not sure on this.

You cannot set it when creating the link but when editing it through the tray (as it is not an important feature). I don't think it matters much and could be removed altogether. Guillaume -- Guillaume Lerouge Product Manager - XWiki Skype ID : wikibc http://blog.xwiki.com/ _______________________________________________ users mailing list users(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users

Hi Guillaume, Globally I like it. Some comments: 1) Link menu item: * How do we add a link to an email address? * How do we add a link to a generic URI? * How do we add an interwiki link? I think all these can be answered by providing a "Custom Link..." item in the drop down menu to let users enter whatever format they want. It would have 3 fields: - label - reference (this is the free form) - target 2) Insert menu item: * I don't like the "Insert TOC" too much since the TOC is a macro like other macros. BTW this is true for the table too but here I agree that table should be in this menu... which means BTW that for the implementation we need to filter out the table from the macro list... 3) Macro menu item: * Can categories be more than 1 level deep? * Can a macro be in more than 1 category? Note: This means that in the Macro descriptor implementation we need to add the notation of category which we don't currently have (we have macro description and parameters description). 4) Import menu item: * You didn't show the submenu items 5) Link Dialog Box - Browse tab * It's missing the ability to link to a subwiki (i.e. the wiki filter) 6) Link Dialog Box - Search tab * Again missing multiwiki * What if put the name of an attachment. How do I create a link to it from the search dialog box? 7) Link Dialog Box - Recently Modified * By everyone or by me only or both? 8) Link to a web page * Wrong dialog box.... 9) Link to a new page * What about a link to a page in another wiki? * New page title --> New page name. This is not the title! BTW In English there's no space before ":" 10) Link Settings * Not sure I like the fact that you can set tooltip/etc when creating the link. I'm not sure on this. Stopping here for now... need top lay with the kids a bit... Thanks -Vincent On Aug 21, 2008, at 7:06 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote: _______________________________________________ users mailing list users(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users

Answers continued below : We could choose to keep providing a quick access to most important macros, therefore keeping the drop-down menu and adding a "browse macro" entry as shown on the first image. Right now I have designed an interface for browsing the images of 1 space. The user can select any of his wiki's spaces to browe for images. I'm not sure a search tool per se would be more efficient than a the browsing feature given the lack of metadata that could help identify the topic of an image. Listing all images in the current wiki might lead to an overload of content, hence the breakdown in spaces. 13) When inserting a macro, we also need to display the list of In the examples shown, macro parameters can be set using the macro settings edition tray. The pro & cons of this approach have been discussed in a previous thread. The idea was to separate the act of insertion from the edition itself : insertion is a one-shot action while settings edition can evolve during the edition process.

The tray doesn't break the user edition flow (whereas the dialog box does). Therefore I think it is a better design and usability choice. This way the user does not need to go through a dialog box each time he wants to edit a setting : he can do so in less time, without being interrupted. In both cases, I agree we need to find a way to help the user make the right choice between available parameters. I'll look into this. Guillaume > > Thanks > -Vincent > > On Aug 21, 2008, at 7:33 PM, Vincent Massol wrote: > >> Hi Guillaume, >> >> Globally I like it. >> >> Some comments: >> >> 1) Link menu item: >> * How do we add a link to an email address? >> * How do we add a link to a generic URI? >> * How do we add an interwiki link? >> >> I think all these can be answered by providing a "Custom Link..." >> item >> in the drop down menu to let users enter whatever format they >> want. It >> would have 3 fields: >> - label >> - reference (this is the free form) >> - target >> >> 2) Insert menu item: >> * I don't like the "Insert TOC" too much since the TOC is a macro >> like >> other macros. BTW this is true for the table too but here I agree >> that >> table should be in this menu... which means BTW that for the >> implementation we need to filter out the table from the macro >> list... >> >> 3) Macro menu item: >> * Can categories be more than 1 level deep? >> * Can a macro be in more than 1 category? >> Note: This means that in the Macro descriptor implementation we need >> to add the notation of category which we don't currently have (we >> have >> macro description and parameters description). >> >> 4) Import menu item: >> * You didn't show the submenu items >> >> 5) Link Dialog Box - Browse tab >> * It's missing the ability to link to a subwiki (i.e. the wiki >> filter) >> >> 6) Link Dialog Box - Search tab >> * Again missing multiwiki >> * What if put the name of an attachment. How do I create a link to >> it >> from the search dialog box? >> >> 7) Link Dialog Box - Recently Modified >> * By everyone or by me only or both? >> >> 8) Link to a web page >> * Wrong dialog box.... >> >> 9) Link to a new page >> * What about a link to a page in another wiki? >> * New page title --> New page name. This is not the title! >> >> BTW In English there's no space before ":" >> >> 10) Link Settings >> * Not sure I like the fact that you can set tooltip/etc when >> creating >> the link. I'm not sure on this. >> >> Stopping here for now... need top lay with the kids a bit... >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> >> On Aug 21, 2008, at 7:06 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote: >> >>> Hi fellow XWiki users, >>> I've spent the last couple weeks working on designing mockups for >>> the new >>> version of the WYSIWYG editor that's currently in the works. >>> >>> I've put all my work on this page : >>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/ >>> NewWysiwygEditorInterface >>> >>> and I'd be glad to gather initial user feedback on these mockups. >>> Please >>> tell us what you think about them now so that we can improve the >>> screens >>> before implementation begins at full speed. >>> >>> Specifically, I'm wondering about the following things : >>> >>> - Can the text be improved to make things easier to understand ? >>> If so, >>> where ? >>> - Are some features harder to reach than they should ? >>> - Are dialog boxes & trays consistent with user models of how >>> edition >>> software usually behaves ? >>> - Do you see anything that will make an user wonder what's >>> happening and >>> where he / she should click next ? >>> >>> Please note that the colors are only indicative at this stage - a >>> designer >>> will improve my work before we get to the final stage. I'll try >>> incorporate >>> your feedback soon and will let you know how the subseuent >>> development goes. >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> >>> Guillaume

2 ways : 1. The macro is available in the drop-down menu (if we keep a "quick access" to it) and you click on it. 2. You click on "browse macros", browse through categories to find it and click on "include macro" The macro is then inserted on the page. A block appears on the page, with "include macro" labelled on it. Note that at this stage you haven't specified any parameter : you have inserted an include macro on the page.

Now you want to edit the parameters of your include macro. You click on the "include" block that is displayed on your page. A tray appears, with 2 settings available (cf http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Design/NewWysiwygEditorInterface/WY… ) : 1. The first is : context : current - new 2. The second is : target document : [input field]

The bold setting in front of the context parameter is the selected setting. You can type the name of the page you want to include in the input field (we could potentially add an autosuggest to that input field). The benefits from this approach is that you separate insertion from edition : if you want to change the name of the included document along the way, you do not need to go through the dialog box again.

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