[xwiki-users] The confusing name 'WebHome' - xwiki-users@xwiki.org

Ludovic Dubost

13 Apr 13 Apr

6:48 p.m.

Hi Joris, This is possible with an xwiki.cfg setting. #-# The name of the default page of a space. This is displayed when the URL specifies a space, but not a document, or neither. # xwiki.defaultpage=WebHome #-# Hide the /WebHome part of the URL when the document is the default one. Use 0 to hide, 1 to show. # xwiki.usedefaultaction=0 Ludovic Le 13/04/11 18:06, Joris Dirks a écrit :

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I just had a user renaming a page called 'Webhome' to something she thought was more appropriate. I understood her reasoning for the name 'intro' but had a hard time explaning why there should be "WebHome" at the end of the URL, especially since it isn't an English wiki. Even when users understand the first page has a fixed name, they are more accustomed to 'index' (.html, .php). Of course, when reaching a space, the name WebHome isn't shown, backlinks (e.g. breadcrumbs) do refer to Example/WebHome instead of Example/ The biggest improvement imho would be: hide the trailing 'WebHome' when viewing a WebHome. When editing this page, it can of course be shown. How do you all think about this? _______________________________________________ users mailing list users(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users

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Thibaut Camberlin

10:44 p.m.

Hi, I had a similar remark from users. This is disturbing for them to read on the main page of the wiki in a wiki that is not in english "Main" and "WebHome". I am talking about the "Add" area. I think we should introduce the notion of space title that would be used for display instead of space name. We could use title property of WebHome page of a space. This way, users could change it easily. On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 19:06, Joris Dirks <joris(a)user.stekje.nl> wrote:

I just had a user renaming a page called 'Webhome' to something she thought was more appropriate. I understood her reasoning for the name 'intro' but had a hard time explaning why there should be "WebHome" at the end of the URL, especially since it isn't an English wiki. Even when users understand the first page has a fixed name, they are more accustomed to 'index' (.html, .php). Of course, when reaching a space, the name WebHome isn't shown, backlinks (e.g. breadcrumbs) do refer to Example/WebHome instead of Example/ The biggest improvement imho would be: hide the trailing 'WebHome' when viewing a WebHome. When editing this page, it can of course be shown.

'WebHome' appears just in the Wiki/Space/Page separation and this cannot be removed since it contains page functions http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/ActionMenuProp… and also reflect the physical URL construction. About renaming: the WebHome is indeed a convention. I was thinking about other names for it. If we would had named it 'Index' or simple 'Home' and appeared like xwiki >> Main >> Home or xwiki >> ColorThemes >> Home it would have been confusing also because usually we have only one main home and only that should be name 'Home', not every homepage for every space. Having put let's say 'Home' and 'SpaceHome' would be an improvement, but will be very close to the current behavior: still a convention, still in english, still unchangeable. The breadcrumb does not display the page name, but the page title. So as long as the page has a title there shouldn't be a problem. Thanks, Caty

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Joris Dirks

14 Apr 14 Apr

10:50 p.m.

Great reply's all! I appreciate the settings Ludovic mentions and the improvements Caty and Thibout mention. I don't think 'WebHome' is less confusing than 'Home' or 'Index'. As "index" is Latin, I think the word is recognisable quite internationally. As Thibout states, only the appereance in the "Add area" (mainmenu?) would probably have to be changed (internationalised?), can't really think of other places were most users find the term 'WebHome'. Not sure if XE-411 is the answer there? On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Thibaut Camberlin <thibaut.camberlin(a)xwiki.com> wrote:

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Just found this one XE-441, also from customer feedback :) -- Thibaut On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Thibaut Camberlin < thibaut.camberlin(a)xwiki.com> wrote:

Hi, I had a similar remark from users. This is disturbing for them to read on the main page of the wiki in a wiki that is not in english "Main" and "WebHome". I am talking about the "Add" area. I think we should introduce the notion of space title that would be used for display instead of space name. We could use title property of WebHome page of a space. This way, users could change it easily. On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 19:06, Joris Dirks <joris(a)user.stekje.nl> wrote:

I just had a user renaming a page called 'Webhome' to something she thought was more appropriate. I understood her reasoning for the name 'intro' but had a hard time explaning why there should be "WebHome" at the end of the URL, especially since it isn't an English wiki. Even when users understand the first page has a fixed name, they are more accustomed to 'index' (.html, .php). Of course, when reaching a space, the name WebHome isn't shown, backlinks (e.g. breadcrumbs) do refer to Example/WebHome instead of Example/ The biggest improvement imho would be: hide the trailing 'WebHome' when viewing a WebHome. When editing this page, it can of course be shown.

'WebHome' appears just in the Wiki/Space/Page separation and this cannot be removed since it contains page functions http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/ActionMenuProp… and also reflect the physical URL construction. About renaming: the WebHome is indeed a convention. I was thinking about other names for it. If we would had named it 'Index' or simple 'Home' and appeared like xwiki >> Main >> Home or xwiki >> ColorThemes >> Home it would have been confusing also because usually we have only one main home and only that should be name 'Home', not every homepage for every space. Having put let's say 'Home' and 'SpaceHome' would be an improvement, but will be very close to the current behavior: still a convention, still in english, still unchangeable. The breadcrumb does not display the page name, but the page title. So as long as the page has a title there shouldn't be a problem. Thanks, Caty

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