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Ecaterina Valica

10 May 2010 10 May '10

3:39 p.m.

Hi, Please give feedback for Rights Management UI Proposal. *Partial Prototype* - Wiki Level: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights2Wiki - Space Level: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights2Space - Page Level: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights2Page *Desired Interaction * - http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights2Proposal#HI… Thanks, Caty

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Guillaume Lerouge

10 May 10 May

4:01 p.m.

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Hi, On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 15:39, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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It took me a little time to understand but now that I get it I think it can be a powerful model. Nice work :-) To recap: - "View / Comment / Edit / Delete" are grouped under "Page rights" -> that disturbed me at first because "page rights" is used for 2 things -> rights related to page actions AND rights at page level -> maybe there should be a different naming for both - I like a lot the fact that inherited rights are displayed at all levels - The "Containing Spaces" part of the page is a bit confusing -> could you elaborate on what it is? Guillaume

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Ecaterina Valica

4:07 p.m.

New subject: [xwiki-users] [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Rights Management UI

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 17:01, Guillaume Lerouge <guillaume(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:

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Hi, On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 15:39, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights2Proposal#HI… It took me a little time to understand but now that I get it I think it can be a powerful model. Nice work :-) To recap: - "View / Comment / Edit / Delete" are grouped under "Page rights" -> that disturbed me at first because "page rights" is used for 2 things -> rights related to page actions AND rights at page level -> maybe there should be a different naming for both - I like a lot the fact that inherited rights are displayed at all levels - The "Containing Spaces" part of the page is a bit confusing -> could you elaborate on what it is?

- "the rights apply to containing spaces and their children" - The cascading of the rights between wiki, space and page is showed explicitly It gives you a visualization of what elements inherit those rights. And also gives you the opportunity to navigate and add specific rights.

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Guillaume

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Thomas Mortagne

5:21 p.m.

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On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 15:39, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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How do you give rights to users/groups from main wiki when you are in a subwiki in this UI ?

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Ecaterina Valica

13 May 13 May

10:57 a.m.

New subject: [xwiki-users] [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Rights Management UI

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 18:21, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:

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On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 15:39, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights2Proposal#HI…

How do you give rights to users/groups from main wiki when you are in a subwiki in this UI ?

The navigation in this UI is like this: Wiki Level: You can use the "Containing Spaces/Pages" to go down the hierarchy. http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights2Proposa… Page Level: Right after the title "Rights Management", there is a "Inheritance Level" navigation component to go upwards the hierarchy. http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights2Proposa… This screenshots only show the "Wiki - Space - Page" case, but the navigation can be easily extended to represent "Main Wiki - SubWiki - Space - Page". Thanks for the feedback, Caty

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Ecaterina Valica

18 May 18 May

11:03 a.m.

New subject: [xwiki-users] [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Rights Management UI

Hi, I've reviewed some of your feedback and added them to Rights Management UI Proposal *VERSION 3*: *Partial Prototype* - Wiki Level: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Wiki - Space Level: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Space - Page Level: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Page *Desired Interaction* - http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Proposal Thanks, Caty

Guillaume Lerouge

5:08 p.m.

New subject: [xwiki-users] [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Rights Management UI

Hi, On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:03, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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I like the separation between rights definition and rights affectation. Only downside -> inherited rights are displayed less clearly than what they were in version 2. Also, a drop-down might be better than an autosuggest when selecting which right should be added to a role. Guillaume

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Denis Gervalle

5:29 p.m.

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On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 17:08, Guillaume Lerouge <guillaume(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:

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Hi, On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:03, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, I've reviewed some of your feedback and added them to Rights Management

Proposal *VERSION 3*: *Partial Prototype* - Wiki Level: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Wiki - Space Level: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Space - Page Level: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Page *Desired Interaction* -

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Proposal

Thanks, Caty

I like the separation between rights definition and rights affectation. Only

Nice indeed, but I do not understand how it could fits with current implementation.

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downside -> inherited rights are displayed less clearly than what they were in version 2.

and I do not see any inherited information anymore. So, proposal 3 seems less interesting than proposal 2. I do not see what it solves based on previous comments either. Caty, could you explain further your goals with this proposal ? Denis

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Also, a drop-down might be better than an autosuggest when selecting which right should be added to a role. Guillaume

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Ecaterina Valica

19 May 19 May

12:23 p.m.

New subject: [xwiki-users] [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Rights Management UI

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 18:08, Guillaume Lerouge <guillaume(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:

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Hi, On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:03, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, I've reviewed some of your feedback and added them to Rights Management

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Proposal

Thanks, Caty

if there are many rights, the select is gonna be hard to navigate. A filterable select would be nice indeed.

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Guillaume

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Ecaterina Valica

12:39 p.m.

New subject: [xwiki-users] [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Rights Management UI

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 18:29, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:

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On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 17:08, Guillaume Lerouge <guillaume(a)xwiki.com

wrote:

Hi, On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:03, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

Hi, I've reviewed some of your feedback and added them to Rights Management

UI > Proposal *VERSION 3*: > > *Partial Prototype* > > - Wiki Level: > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Wiki > - Space Level: >

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Space

- Page Level: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Page *Desired Interaction* -

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Proposal

Thanks, Caty

I like the separation between rights definition and rights affectation. Only

Nice indeed, but I do not understand how it could fits with current implementation.

downside -> inherited rights are displayed less clearly than what they

were

in version 2.

and I do not see any inherited information anymore.

For example, in Space Level http://localhost:8084/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Space the text in yellow represents the inherited users and inherited roles from upper level. The text in black (evalica with Reviewer and the Reviewer definition) is specified only for this level. After the save the added "Reviewer" right is gonna look like this: http://localhost:8084/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights3Proposal/addU6…

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So, proposal 3 seems less interesting than proposal 2. I do not see what it solves based on previous comments either. Caty, could you explain further your goals with this proposal ?

I tried in proposal 3 to make it more easy to use. People told me that they didn't understood the "Containing Spaces/Pages" so I've removed it. This proposal gives the users the possibility to create Roles that can have semantically value to them and thus making the rights more easy to use. This proposal accommodates the case: "Not sure it's scalable. In the future applications/components will be able to register new rights". Having the rights displayed vertically and only on Add, makes the UI more scalable, and in the code we could add as many rights as we would want. Also the spaces is now more economical having just "Allow"/"Deny" columns. Thanks, Caty

...

Denis

Also, a drop-down might be better than an autosuggest when selecting

which

right should be added to a role. Guillaume

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Denis Gervalle

3:52 p.m.

New subject: [xwiki-users] [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Rights Management UI

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:39, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 18:29, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 17:08, Guillaume Lerouge <guillaume(a)xwiki.com

wrote:

Hi, On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:03, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com>

wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I've reviewed some of your feedback and added them to Rights

Management

> UI > > Proposal *VERSION 3*: > > > > *Partial Prototype* > > > > - Wiki Level: > >

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Wiki

> - Space Level: >

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Space > > - Page Level: > >

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Page

> > > > *Desired Interaction* > > > > - > > >

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Proposal

Thanks, Caty

I like the separation between rights definition and rights affectation. Only

Nice indeed, but I do not understand how it could fits with current implementation.

downside -> inherited rights are displayed less clearly than what they

were

in version 2.

and I do not see any inherited information anymore.

Thanks for these precision, I have better understand your idea. (Personally I have some difficulties with colors (partially color blind), so information based on colors is not always easy for me.)

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So, proposal 3 seems less interesting than proposal 2. I do not see what

solves based on previous comments either. Caty, could you explain further your goals with this proposal ?

I completely agree that proposal 3 is clearer. The problem is that your samples and the structure of this proposal are really far from current implementation. Proposal 2 were fitting better but the samples where also not realistic and remarks from Thomas about global wiki users should also be integrated. So, I am puzzle by your goals here. Aren't we going too fast ? Since there is very poor documentation about the way XWiki rights works (I would be happy to improve that, but it will require some time), I have the impression that there is a important misunderstanding of how inheritance is effectively applied. So the design of a proper UI is not easy. I have also read the draft of Sergiu that aims to improve the documentation, but either I have not understand it or it does not describe current behavior. So the question is for me, are we designing this UI to think about future possibilities or to replace the current UI ? Denis

...

Thanks, Caty

Denis

Also, a drop-down might be better than an autosuggest when selecting

which

right should be added to a role. Guillaume

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Ecaterina Valica

4:33 p.m.

New subject: [xwiki-users] [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Rights Management UI

Hi Denis, On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 16:52, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:

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On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:39, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 18:29, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 17:08, Guillaume Lerouge <guillaume(a)xwiki.com

wrote:

Hi, On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:03, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com>

wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I've reviewed some of your feedback and added them to Rights

Management

> UI > > Proposal *VERSION 3*: > > > > *Partial Prototype* > > > > - Wiki Level: > >

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Wiki

> - Space Level: >

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Space > > - Page Level: > >

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Page

> > > > *Desired Interaction* > > > > - > > >

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Proposal > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Caty > > > > > > > I like the separation between rights definition and rights

affectation.

> > Only > > > > Nice indeed, but I do not understand how it could fits with current > implementation. > > > > downside -> inherited rights are displayed less clearly than what

they

were

in version 2.

and I do not see any inherited information anymore.

For example, in Space Level http://localhost:8084/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Space the text in yellow represents the inherited users and inherited roles

from

upper level. The text in black (evalica with Reviewer and the Reviewer definition) is specified only for this level. After the save the added "Reviewer" right is gonna look like this:

http://localhost:8084/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights3Proposal/addU6… Thanks for these precision, I have better understand your idea. (Personally I have some difficulties with colors (partially color blind), so information based on colors is not always easy for me.)

So you're a great test candidate :). I also received a mail from Roman (he wanted icons to represent rights), so what I can do for you is to try a version with color + little icon to represent "Inherited"|"Allow"|"Deny". I will think about it.

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> > So, proposal 3 seems less interesting than proposal 2. I do not see

what

solves based on previous comments either. Caty, could you explain further your goals with this proposal ?

I tried in proposal 3 to make it more easy to use. People told me that

they

didn't understood the "Containing Spaces/Pages" so I've removed it. This proposal gives the users the possibility to create Roles that can

have

semantically value to them and thus making the rights more easy to use. This proposal accommodates the case: "Not sure it's scalable. In the

future

applications/components will be able to register new rights". Having the rights displayed vertically and only on Add, makes the UI more scalable, and in the code we could add as many rights as we would want. Also the spaces is now more economical having just "Allow"/"Deny" columns.

About Thomas feedback, don't you like http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Proposal#HN…

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So, I am puzzle by your goals here. Aren't we going too fast ? Since there is very poor documentation about the way XWiki rights works (I would be happy to improve that, but it will require some time), I have the impression that there is a important misunderstanding of how inheritance is effectively applied. So the design of a proper UI is not easy. I have also read the draft of Sergiu that aims to improve the documentation, but either I have not understand it or it does not describe current behavior. So the question is for me, are we designing this UI to think about future possibilities or to replace the current UI ?

My purpose is "to make rights easy to use at last". IMO this means do whatever it takes to make them "easy to use" :) I try to base my proposal on existing code, but I never disregard new functionalities that I can add if this means the UI and experience is gonna be improved. The only thing Rights version 3 is adding is the "Role" part, which is some kind of groups for rights. If the solution given is gonna be convincing enough to be use in the rights part (not yet .... but maybe some version of it) I'm sure there will be someone that is gonna want to implement it. Until then I will continue to prototype and find out how we can add all that functionality in one place. And yes... I need to focus more on the inheritance again. Thanks, Caty

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Denis

Thanks, Caty

Denis

Also, a drop-down might be better than an autosuggest when selecting

which

right should be added to a role. Guillaume > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > devs(a)xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > -- Guillaume Lerouge Product Manager - XWiki SAS Skype: wikibc Twitter: glerouge http://guillaumelerouge.com/ _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

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