On Sep 29, 2009, at 7:20 PM, hel-o wrote: ah ok so that's it.... See http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-4417 Thanks -Vincent _______________________________________________ users mailing list users(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users

Do you mean a title different from the link in the breadcrumb? If this is what you mean then yes, you can no longer have a title that's different from the breadcrumb. We could maybe improve how breadcrumbs are displayed and truncate them when they're too long.

You can have a level 1 heading right at the start of your page after the title as long as it's different from the main title. Well, actually it somehow is: if you don't use the title field at all, the first heading of your documents will be considered a title like it used to be.

Sorry about that. I was (and still am) on of the strong proponents of the new behavior. I've heard many users complain about title handling in the past and I think the current version addresses these longstanding issues. However I know it's annoying for existing users such as you and I'd like to apologize for that.

Hi Hel, actually I think there is a fix for your title issue if you really want to get back to the old behavior: 1. Go to XWiki.XWikiSkins 2. Go to Edit > Class 3. Use the panel on the right to add a TextArea property named contentview.vm 4. Save the page 5. Go to your skin page (usually XWiki.DefaultSkin unless you changed it) 6. Go to Edit > Objects 7. Click to edit the XWiki.XWikiSkins object 8. Scroll to the bottom of the page 9. There is an empty field named "contentview.vm" located at the bottom. Paste the following code into it: ### ### Display document contents in "view" mode. ### ### TODO: Web service? ### <div id="xwikicontent"> ## ------------------------------- ## Compute the content to display ## ------------------------------- ## Honor the syntax if it's passed in the request. #set($outputSyntax = $xwiki.getAvailableRendererSyntax($request.outputSyntax, $request.outputSyntaxVersion)) #if ($outputSyntax) ## If the passed syntax is not an HTML-compatible syntax we need to HTML-escape it so that it can be ## displayed fine in HTML (since at the point this vm file is called we're already inside an HTML page with ## panels on the side, header, etc). #set($syntaxType = $outputSyntax.type.toIdString()) #if (($syntaxType == "xhtml") || ($syntaxType == "html")) #set ($renderedContent = $cdoc.getRenderedContent($outputSyntax)) #else ## Make sure to print correctly the result when it's not HTML #set ($renderedContent = "<pre>$escapetool.html($cdoc.getRenderedContent($outputSyntax))</ pre>") #end #else #set ($renderedContent = $cdoc.getRenderedContent()) #end ## ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ## Compute title to display and modify rendered content accordingly. ## ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ###template("titlevars.vm") ## ---------------------------- ## Display the title ## ---------------------------- ##<div id="document-title"><h1>$titleToDisplay</h1></div> ## ---------------------------- ## Display the rendered content ## ---------------------------- $renderedContent ## ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ## Display the footnotes if the document is in 1.0 syntax and if there are any defined ## ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #set($footnotes = "#putFootnotes()") $xwiki.renderText($footnotes, $doc) </div> 1. Save the page 2. Force-refresh any page on your wiki 3. You should be back to the old behavior :-) Let me know if this worked for you, Guillaume On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:47 AM, hel-o &lt;hel(a)hel.at&gt; wrote: > > Hi, > > and thanks for your answer. Now i know what works and what does not > work > anymore. > > > Guillaume Lerouge wrote: >> >> >> Do you mean a title different from the link in the breadcrumb? If >> this is >> what you mean then yes, you can no longer have a title that's >> different >> from >> the breadcrumb. We could maybe improve how breadcrumbs are >> displayed and >> truncate them when they're too long. >> >> > > In fact i think you are right, cause the title was not used as page > title > in > the past, it was the title thats displayed in the breadcrumb. So > mayby it > shouldn`t have been called title or changed to the behavior we have > now. > > Still sometimes it may be necessary to have a short title for the > breadcrumb > and a full title for the page. Don't know if its a good idea to > truncate > the > title because that gives now control over the part displayed in the > breadcrumb and if it makes sense. > > > Guillaume Lerouge wrote: >> >> >> You can have a level 1 heading right at the start of your page >> after the >> title as long as it's different from the main title. >> >> Well, actually it somehow is: if you don't use the title field at >> all, > the >> first heading of your documents will be considered a title like it >> used > to >> be. >> >> > > In the moment only heading 1 and 2 are used as title if theres no > title > given. I sometimes have pages that have heading 3 or 4 as title -> > when > theres no title the page name is used -> not good > > You know this is hypertext and i dont want to have endless topics > but i > also > want to have the headings set to the correct level if i export my > topics > for > print output and i think that is necessary if you use the wiki for > documentation or writing more complex documents. > > There's also the problem that xwiki at the moment is not able to > display > special characters (äüö) in the breadcrumb if you don't use the > title. > > > Guillaume Lerouge wrote: >> >> >> Sorry about that. I was (and still am) on of the strong proponents >> of the >> new behavior. I've heard many users complain about title handling >> in the >> past and I think the current version addresses these longstanding >> issues. >> However I know it's annoying for existing users such as you and >> I'd like >> to >> apologize for that. >> >> > > I know that sometimes things have to be changed and mayby this was > changed > for the better, but at least existing users should be informed about > consequences and the release notes should reflect the new behavior. > Looking > at this discussion and the release notes for 2.0 they don't. > > > http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseNotesXWikiEnterprise20#HNew… > > By the way (because i don't only want to complain all the time) > xwiki 2.0 > is > really a great release and with every release working with xwiki > becomes > even better. > > Thanks > hel. > > ----- > semantic-web.hel.at > hel(a)hel.at

Thanks for both replies. First of all, I'd like to use the new strategy but in my opinion it's not ready for use now and has some restrictions.

My problem is not that i didn't use titles. I do use titles quit a lot and think that the use of titles is somhow restricted now.

Further more, i'd like to choose the level of the heading of my pages more flexible. (Not only heading 1 or heading 2)

I'll try the suggested way to bring back the old behavior to let you know if it works. But i think i'll switch back as soon as the encoding bug (http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-4417) ist fixed. Thanks hel. vmassol wrote: > > Hi, > > Please note that you should do this only very temporarily since this > is no longer the correct strategy. You should try to migrate ASAP to > the new strategy: > - use titles > - remove previous level 1 headers > - move all other level N headers to level N-1 headers. > > Thanks > -Vincent > > On Oct 12, 2009, at 10:41 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote: > >> Hi Hel, >> actually I think there is a fix for your title issue if you really >> want to >> get back to the old behavior: >> >> 1. Go to XWiki.XWikiSkins >> 2. Go to Edit > Class >> 3. Use the panel on the right to add a TextArea property named >> contentview.vm >> 4. Save the page >> 5. Go to your skin page (usually XWiki.DefaultSkin unless you >> changed it) >> 6. Go to Edit > Objects >> 7. Click to edit the XWiki.XWikiSkins object >> 8. Scroll to the bottom of the page >> 9. There is an empty field named "contentview.vm" located at the >> bottom. >> Paste the following code into it: >>

Tried to explain that in in my post that was followed by the fix Guillaume Lerouge provided (thanks again). But again the main issues for me are: - No possibility to have different Title and Breadcrumb

- No multilanguage support -> see encoding problem

- Only heading 1 and 2 possible as heading of page, if different heading and no title -> page name in breadcrumb

hel. vmassol wrote: > > Hi hel, > > On Oct 14, 2009, at 9:53 AM, hel-o wrote: > >> >> Thanks for both replies. >> >> First of all, I'd like to use the new strategy but in my opinion >> it's not >> ready for use now and has some restrictions. > > What restrictions?

Hi, vmassol wrote: breadcrumb is breadcrumb title is title (at least i see a difference in the function -> title=title of page, breadcrumb=navigation aid) . In most cases it will be appropriate that the title is displayed in the breadcrumb. But when i have e.g. very long titles it may be better to have a short form of the title in the breadcrumb.

vmassol wrote: If i use the wiki for documentation and to create structured hypertext, i will have my document at severel levels in the wiki (which has some real gread advantages -> topics reusable in severel contexts, topics interlinkable in strucure and "cross structure" ...) But i will also have the need to create printable versions of my documentation form time to time. XWiki has a real good export mechanism (with still some need of improvement) where i can also export page structures (includechildpages). If i use this i'd like to have the structure also reflected in the titles (in this case headings). So a title in topic in level 3 should become heading 3 ... If all topics have heading 1 the exported document doesn't reflect the wiki structure anymore.

Hope i made my points clear hel. ----- semantic-web.hel.at hel(a)hel.at -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/xwiki-2-0-issues-tp3729506p3827784.html Sent from the XWiki- Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ users mailing list users(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users

Hi Hel, actually I think there is a fix for your title issue if you really want to get back to the old behavior: 1. Go to XWiki.XWikiSkins 2. Go to Edit > Class 3. Use the panel on the right to add a TextArea property named contentview.vm 4. Save the page 5. Go to your skin page (usually XWiki.DefaultSkin unless you changed it) 6. Go to Edit > Objects 7. Click to edit the XWiki.XWikiSkins object 8. Scroll to the bottom of the page 9. There is an empty field named "contentview.vm" located at the bottom. Paste the following code into it: ### ### Display document contents in "view" mode. ### ### TODO: Web service? ### <div id="xwikicontent"> ## ------------------------------- ## Compute the content to display ## ------------------------------- ## Honor the syntax if it's passed in the request. #set($outputSyntax = $xwiki.getAvailableRendererSyntax($request.outputSyntax, $request.outputSyntaxVersion)) #if ($outputSyntax) ## If the passed syntax is not an HTML-compatible syntax we need to HTML-escape it so that it can be ## displayed fine in HTML (since at the point this vm file is called we're already inside an HTML page with ## panels on the side, header, etc). #set($syntaxType = $outputSyntax.type.toIdString()) #if (($syntaxType == "xhtml") || ($syntaxType == "html")) #set ($renderedContent = $cdoc.getRenderedContent($outputSyntax)) #else ## Make sure to print correctly the result when it's not HTML #set ($renderedContent = "<pre>$escapetool.html($cdoc.getRenderedContent($outputSyntax))</pre>") #end #else #set ($renderedContent = $cdoc.getRenderedContent()) #end ## ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ## Compute title to display and modify rendered content accordingly. ## ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ###template("titlevars.vm") ## ---------------------------- ## Display the title ## ---------------------------- ##<div id="document-title"><h1>$titleToDisplay</h1></div> ## ---------------------------- ## Display the rendered content ## ---------------------------- $renderedContent ## ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ## Display the footnotes if the document is in 1.0 syntax and if there are any defined ## ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #set($footnotes = "#putFootnotes()") $xwiki.renderText($footnotes, $doc) </div> 1. Save the page 2. Force-refresh any page on your wiki 3. You should be back to the old behavior :-) Let me know if this worked for you, Guillaume On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:47 AM, hel-o &lt;hel(a)hel.at&gt; wrote: -- Guillaume Lerouge Product Manager - XWiki SAS Skype: wikibc Twitter: glerouge http://guillaumelerouge.com/ _______________________________________________ users mailing list users(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users