9 Apr
2013
9 Apr
'13
3:26 p.m.
Hello,
I have tried several enterprise wiki and I like Xwiki very much appart from
one thing that makes me hesitant to go for it.
This thing is the classification. It seems so messy for me to not have a
clear classification of the pages and documents, and I think others get
crazy with it too.
What would seem logical and intuitive for me is to have by default a side
panel with a tree of all the directories (or categories or spaces, depending
on how you call it), sub directories, sub sub, and pages. By default this
panel would be empty and as soon as you create a first test directory and a
first test page, this panel would start to fill up. This would be the main
menu by default.
Xwiki has spaces, that's well. But why cannot we create sub spaces and why
are they not displayed in a hierarchical menu on all pages?
My suggestion is a kind of taxonomy improvement. We could have displayed by
default on all pages:
- a panel with a tree of the spaces and pages
- a panel you can expand with the type of documents (wiki pages, documents,
etc) so that you can access to a page displaying all the wiki pages, to a
page displaying all the documents, to a page displaying all the blog posts,
to a page displaying all the comments, etc.
- a panel you can expand with collections (or "categories"). This
collections would be created by the administrator and would be for example
"Procedure", "Specification sheet", "Documentation",
"News", etc.
- a panel you can expand with all the users. When you click on a user, you
can see a page with all the pages he has created, all the pages he as
modified, etc.
- a tag panel
The Classification is one of the most important aspect in an
ressources/knowledge/procedure portal. It seems for me that the
classification should be improved in Xwiki.
If I haven't understood something, could you help me by giving me the good
practises on how enterprise organise their documents in xwiki so that it is
easily and intuitively accessible by their users.
Many thanks,
Geoffrey
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9 Apr
9 Apr
4:51 p.m.
Hello,
My humble 2 cents ... The "Classification Extension" may be of some help to
start with [1].
I agree with you that having a real "taxonomy" transverse to all xwiki
items (pages, spaces, objects..., blogs, tags, faq entries, ...) would be a
great improvement IMO.
Currently xwiki natural way of structuring content is more about
parent/child relation-ship and spaces. Taxonomy could bring more meaning to
that, as these relation-ships, in a big wiki, frequently are more
"technical", or driven by rights, more than by taxonomy. Very frequently,
you can't put a document in only one place logically, with a taxonomy you
could relate it to more than one topic for instance.
BR,
Jeremie
[1]
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Classification+Applica…
2013/4/9 geoffreyma <geoffreymazuy(a)gmail.com>
Hello,
I have tried several enterprise wiki and I like Xwiki very much appart from
one thing that makes me hesitant to go for it.
This thing is the classification. It seems so messy for me to not have a
clear classification of the pages and documents, and I think others get
crazy with it too.
What would seem logical and intuitive for me is to have by default a side
panel with a tree of all the directories (or categories or spaces,
depending
on how you call it), sub directories, sub sub, and pages. By default this
panel would be empty and as soon as you create a first test directory and a
first test page, this panel would start to fill up. This would be the main
menu by default.
Xwiki has spaces, that's well. But why cannot we create sub spaces and why
are they not displayed in a hierarchical menu on all pages?
My suggestion is a kind of taxonomy improvement. We could have displayed by
default on all pages:
- a panel with a tree of the spaces and pages
- a panel you can expand with the type of documents (wiki pages, documents,
etc) so that you can access to a page displaying all the wiki pages, to a
page displaying all the documents, to a page displaying all the blog posts,
to a page displaying all the comments, etc.
- a panel you can expand with collections (or "categories"). This
collections would be created by the administrator and would be for example
"Procedure", "Specification sheet", "Documentation",
"News", etc.
- a panel you can expand with all the users. When you click on a user, you
can see a page with all the pages he has created, all the pages he as
modified, etc.
- a tag panel
The Classification is one of the most important aspect in an
ressources/knowledge/procedure portal. It seems for me that the
classification should be improved in Xwiki.
If I haven't understood something, could you help me by giving me the good
practises on how enterprise organise their documents in xwiki so that it is
easily and intuitively accessible by their users.
Many thanks,
Geoffrey
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11:53 p.m.
Hi,
I would like to add my humble 1 cent hoping it can help others to decide to get involved
with XWiki.
Even though I frequently receive comments in the same direction Geoffrey points to, that
is, users complaining about not having a "classical" way of organizing contents
(that usually means not having a way of creating folder, and subfolders, and subsubfolders
and so on, so forth) I usually succeed when explaining that XWiki introduces a different
way of organizing and structuring enterprise information.
I'm really afraid of using the wrong way concepts as taxonomy or hierarchy, thus I
simply use the idea of system-driven creation and retrieval of contents. What XWiki offers
you is a more-than-reasonable set of features out of the box but, much more interesting,
is an impressive capability of integration of different programming and scripting
environments, an impressive set of APIs, a mature data model [1] and database schema
implementation [2].
With XWiki, you'll be creating a set of documents structured for the future: you can
use a complete set of possibilities based on parent/child relationship, spaces, tags,
instantiation of existing and new classes to create, structure, annotate and retrieve new
pieces of information.
But having XWiki in your organization, at lease in ours works like that, does mean to have
some person being able translate your team requirements to XWiki structure, features and
new application design (extrem design) capabilities.
HTH!
Ricardo
[1] http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/DevGuide/DataModel
[2] http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/DevGuide/DatabaseSchema
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Sent: 09 April 2013 16:51
To: XWiki Users
Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Classification in Xwiki
Hello,
My humble 2 cents ... The "Classification Extension" may be of some help to
start with [1].
I agree with you that having a real "taxonomy" transverse to all xwiki
items (pages, spaces, objects..., blogs, tags, faq entries, ...) would be a
great improvement IMO.
Currently xwiki natural way of structuring content is more about
parent/child relation-ship and spaces. Taxonomy could bring more meaning to
that, as these relation-ships, in a big wiki, frequently are more
"technical", or driven by rights, more than by taxonomy. Very frequently,
you can't put a document in only one place logically, with a taxonomy you
could relate it to more than one topic for instance.
BR,
Jeremie
[1]
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Classification+Applica…
2013/4/9 geoffreyma <geoffreymazuy(a)gmail.com>
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Hello,
I have tried several enterprise wiki and I like Xwiki very much appart from
one thing that makes me hesitant to go for it.
This thing is the classification. It seems so messy for me to not have a
clear classification of the pages and documents, and I think others get
crazy with it too.
What would seem logical and intuitive for me is to have by default a side
panel with a tree of all the directories (or categories or spaces,
depending
on how you call it), sub directories, sub sub, and pages. By default this
panel would be empty and as soon as you create a first test directory and a
first test page, this panel would start to fill up. This would be the main
menu by default.
Xwiki has spaces, that's well. But why cannot we create sub spaces and why
are they not displayed in a hierarchical menu on all pages?
My suggestion is a kind of taxonomy improvement. We could have displayed by
default on all pages:
- a panel with a tree of the spaces and pages
- a panel you can expand with the type of documents (wiki pages, documents,
etc) so that you can access to a page displaying all the wiki pages, to a
page displaying all the documents, to a page displaying all the blog posts,
to a page displaying all the comments, etc.
- a panel you can expand with collections (or "categories"). This
collections would be created by the administrator and would be for example
"Procedure", "Specification sheet", "Documentation",
"News", etc.
- a panel you can expand with all the users. When you click on a user, you
can see a page with all the pages he has created, all the pages he as
modified, etc.
- a tag panel
The Classification is one of the most important aspect in an
ressources/knowledge/procedure portal. It seems for me that the
classification should be improved in Xwiki.
If I haven't understood something, could you help me by giving me the good
practises on how enterprise organise their documents in xwiki so that it is
easily and intuitively accessible by their users.
Many thanks,
Geoffrey
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12 Apr
12 Apr
4:52 p.m.
Hi,
Thanks for your answers!
Meanwhile, I have discovered the workspace module which seems fine.
Now I think to organize content in this way (I would be interested to know
the practises of others):
- use wiki farm for the company level: one wiki per company or organisation
- use the workspaces for the department level: one workspace for the Sales
dep, one workspace for the Purchase dep, one for the Account dep, and so on.
- use the spaces for sub-department: in the Sales dep workspace, one space
for the customer service, one space for the marketing, and so on.
- use of parent/child relationship between pages for further hierarchy.
Regarding to the content type, I don't know yet if it works better to use
tags or to create a specific class for that. The content types I would like
to assign to my content are for instance: 'procedure', 'workflow',
'Idea',
'Project', 'knowledge', 'report', etc. What are your practises?
Last thing: I have installed the Workspace Application and Workspace API not
through the extension manager but manually as mentioned here:
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-8343
<http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-8343>
My problem is it doesn't work better, I still get the message: "The
Workspace Manager java component is not installed. This page will not work
properly. Make sure that the file
'wiki30-components-workspace-manager-<version>.jar' is present under the
'webapps/xwiki/WEB-INF/lib/' folder." Could you help me with this problem?
Thanks a lot for your feedbacks!
Geoffrey
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14 Apr
14 Apr
5:15 a.m.
Hi,
Anyone can help me with the error
"wiki30-components-workspace-manager-<version>.jar' is present under the
'webapps/xwiki/WEB-INF/lib/' folder" when I tried to create a new workspace?
I tried to install the extension manually but it doesn't work better.
Thanks!
Geoffrey
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15 Apr
15 Apr
8:44 a.m.
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 6:15 AM, geoffreyma <geoffreymazuy(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Anyone can help me with the error
"wiki30-components-workspace-manager-<version>.jar' is present under the
'webapps/xwiki/WEB-INF/lib/' folder" when I tried to create a new
workspace?
I tried to install the extension manually but it doesn't work better.
Which jars did you put in WEB-INF/lib when you (manually) installed workspaces?
Thanks!
Geoffrey
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Thanks,
Now I have solved my problem.
It didn't work when I tried to install the .jar workspace modules downloaded
from extensions.xwiki.org (versions limited to 4.5.3) but now I have found
the versions 5-2 of these jars on the website nexus.xwiki.org and it works
perfectly.
thanks
Geoffrey
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