Hi, I know there have been discussions on collapsed panel headers I've had user complaints about the 'complexity' of our website (based on XWiki). After analysis of the complaints one of the reasons for perceived complexity were the panels They distracted the focus from the content, because each panel (we use approx 4 on the left and 2 or 3 on the right) (www.cdlsworld.org)) contains links/information. Sending screen shots of the site with collapsed panels was rated significantly 'easier'. The panel header is descriptive enough. What is today's recommended strategy to have the panels collapsed by default (i would really like this to be a attribute when you define a panel; like a checkbox; default collapsed!) We do not require user configuration here; the state of the panel does not have to be remembered per user session. We would rather have 'rules by context' If user has certain rights, if user is in certain space' But this is a nice to have, not a must have; we would be fine if one single panel is always collapsed when entering a page. And for another panel that it is always open and can be collapsed! Any recommendation would be highly appreciated... My own thoughts are that this might be something for javascript; the script could collapse the panel... Downside of javascript is that 'older' computers or users that have javascript disabled might not benefit, that would suggest a serverside setting of the CSS class ? Gerritjan