Hi Jerome, Thanks for your very quick response. Trust me to try do things front2back ;-) I'm more than happy to try it the recommended way <g> no need to swim uphill any more than necessary. Its just when I went to the 'instructions' link for the generic Workspaces installer the page didnt have any info to work from so then somewhere on the site I think I read that the only difference for between the Enterprise install and Workspaces was to change the final XAR. i.e. I misinterpreted the docs here: http://workspaces.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/#HInstallingandrunnin… "Installing and running the WAR distribution This installation type requires you have a Servlet Container and a relational database installed and configured. You will need to download xwiki-workspaces war distribution from the Download page. The first steps to setting up your installation are similar to installing XWiki Enterprise, so please refer its installation guide. Only, in the concluding step, you will have to install XWiki Workspaces Wiki XAR, instead of the XWiki Enterprise one." Even re-reading it now - its easy to make the mistake again because one is referred to the Enterprise install guide and if one is not paying complete attention one misses the fact that one needs to apply the Enterprise install rules to Workspace. Anyway, now that I understand it, I'll try things the XWiki expected way round. One other question, since clearly you're very familiar with Xwiki. I would like to add xwiki-product-chronopolys-installer-generic-1.0.jar but havent tried to do this yet. If you are familiar with Chronopolys - what install route would you recommend - Enterprise or Workspaces first? Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerome Velociter" &lt;jerome(a)xwiki.com&gt; To: "XWiki Users" &lt;users(a)xwiki.org&gt; Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 5:27:18 PM GMT +02:00 Harare / Pretoria Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] How to create initial Organization Space in Xwiki workspace? From what I understand you are trying to do something not very orthodox : installing XWiki Workspaces on top of an existing XWiki Enterprise. This is doable, but not documented. If you check http://workspaces.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/#HInstallingandrunnin… you will see that XWS comes with its own WAR file (since it needs some extra templates/plugins/config to work correctly). Note that XWS does embed XWiki Enterprise, so if you install the XWS war, you have a working XE too, and all the work is done for you. The only thing that affects XWiki Enterprise when installing XWS are a couple of velocity templates that XWS overrides (but you need them to have XWS work properly)