11 Mar
2014
11 Mar
'14
2:32 p.m.
Hi everyone,
For the 6.x cycle ( http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Roadmaps/WebHome )
we plan to develop a new skin Flamingo (
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Skin4x ).
One of the advantages of this skin is that is **responsive**. Currently IE8
doesn't natively support this functionality.
I am wondering how many of you are using this browser and how difficult
would be upgrade to a newer version of IE (IE10, IE11).
IE8 was released in March 2009 (4 years ago)
IE9 - March 2011 (2 years ago)
IE10 - Sept 2012 (17 months ago)
IE11 - Oct 2013 (4 month ago)
Let me know of any other problems that could prevent us from dropping the
IE8 support.
Thanks,
Caty
11 Mar
11 Mar
2:35 p.m.
The current supported browser list is available here
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy
Thanks,
Caty
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
For the 6.x cycle ( http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Roadmaps/WebHome) we plan to
develop a new skin Flamingo (
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Skin4x ).
One of the advantages of this skin is that is **responsive**. Currently
IE8 doesn't natively support this functionality.
I am wondering how many of you are using this browser and how difficult
would be upgrade to a newer version of IE (IE10, IE11).
IE8 was released in March 2009 (4 years ago)
IE9 - March 2011 (2 years ago)
IE10 - Sept 2012 (17 months ago)
IE11 - Oct 2013 (4 month ago)
Let me know of any other problems that could prevent us from dropping the
IE8 support.
Thanks,
Caty
7:03 p.m.
I think if even google dropped support to IE8(in their apps), why would you
maintain it?
Besides, no one wants to make thousands of hacks just to support an old
browser.
And Xwiki is not just a wiki. Is a 2.0 Enterprise Wiki. IE8 doesn't sound
well with 2.0 hahaha.
Btw, 4 years is a lot of time. Who has a 4 year computer today?
You lost some old browser users, but you win some android, iPad and Iphone
users.
That's is what I think as a user and a html developer.
Thank you =).
2014-03-11 11:35 GMT-03:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>om>:
The current supported browser list is available here
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy
Thanks,
Caty
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
For the 6.x cycle ( http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Roadmaps/WebHome)
we plan
to develop a new skin Flamingo (
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Skin4x ).
One of the advantages of this skin is that is **responsive**. Currently
IE8 doesn't natively support this functionality.
I am wondering how many of you are using this browser and how difficult
would be upgrade to a newer version of IE (IE10, IE11).
IE8 was released in March 2009 (4 years ago)
IE9 - March 2011 (2 years ago)
IE10 - Sept 2012 (17 months ago)
IE11 - Oct 2013 (4 month ago)
Let me know of any other problems that could prevent us from dropping the
IE8 support.
Thanks,
Caty
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8:23 p.m.
Hello,
Well, not everyone is that lucky :)
Currently as you said it's an Enterprise wiki, and some enterprises do not
necessarily shine with being up-to-date. Currently in mine our official
browser is still IE8. And most of our customers also stick to IE8. In this
kind of context there is no solution, except praying that your IT will
schedule some upgrade not too far from now.
Not saying this is representative of the majority - I have no idea. I hope
not.
4 years seem quite old, but in my opinion it's quite sad to see that many
web apps have to drop support for so recent browsers versions, due to
maintenance costs (though completely understandable). We could have
imagined that a responsive js framework could gracefully manage when
browser is not responsive (do you remember, when web sites could imagine
that you didn't want to activate javascript and still "work" ? :) ). If the
intention of these frameworks is to reach everyone everywhere from every
device, then it would seem logical to manage every browser ;-) But I must
say I'm not sure of what it means, or amount of work that would be needed.
BR,
Jeremie
PS: my own computer is more than 4 years old :)
2014-03-11 20:03 GMT+01:00 Leonardo Kodato <leonardokodato(a)gmail.com>om>:
I think if even google dropped support to IE8(in their
apps), why would you
maintain it?
Besides, no one wants to make thousands of hacks just to support an old
browser.
And Xwiki is not just a wiki. Is a 2.0 Enterprise Wiki. IE8 doesn't sound
well with 2.0 hahaha.
Btw, 4 years is a lot of time. Who has a 4 year computer today?
You lost some old browser users, but you win some android, iPad and Iphone
users.
That's is what I think as a user and a html developer.
Thank you =).
2014-03-11 11:35 GMT-03:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>om>:
_______________________________________________
users mailing list
users(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
The current supported browser list is available
here
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy
Thanks,
Caty
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> For the 6.x cycle (
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Roadmaps/WebHome)
we plan to develop a new skin Flamingo (
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Skin4x ).
> One of the advantages of this skin is that is **responsive**. Currently
> IE8 doesn't natively support this functionality.
>
> I am wondering how many of you are using this browser and how difficult
> would be upgrade to a newer version of IE (IE10, IE11).
>
> IE8 was released in March 2009 (4 years ago)
> IE9 - March 2011 (2 years ago)
> IE10 - Sept 2012 (17 months ago)
> IE11 - Oct 2013 (4 month ago)
>
> Let me know of any other problems that could prevent us from dropping
the
IE8
support.
Thanks,
Caty
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12 Mar
12 Mar
7:03 a.m.
Hi Jeremie,
What version of XWiki are you using? Do you plan to upgrade to 6.x? 6.x
timeframe is by the end of the year (Dec 2014). Do you think you will still
be using IE8 next year (I don't know either how IT departments schedule the
upgrades)?
Thanks,
Caty
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Jeremie BOUSQUET <
jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Well, not everyone is that lucky :)
Currently as you said it's an Enterprise wiki, and some enterprises do not
necessarily shine with being up-to-date. Currently in mine our official
browser is still IE8. And most of our customers also stick to IE8. In this
kind of context there is no solution, except praying that your IT will
schedule some upgrade not too far from now.
Not saying this is representative of the majority - I have no idea. I hope
not.
4 years seem quite old, but in my opinion it's quite sad to see that many
web apps have to drop support for so recent browsers versions, due to
maintenance costs (though completely understandable). We could have
imagined that a responsive js framework could gracefully manage when
browser is not responsive (do you remember, when web sites could imagine
that you didn't want to activate javascript and still "work" ? :) ). If
the
intention of these frameworks is to reach everyone everywhere from every
device, then it would seem logical to manage every browser ;-) But I must
say I'm not sure of what it means, or amount of work that would be needed.
BR,
Jeremie
PS: my own computer is more than 4 years old :)
2014-03-11 20:03 GMT+01:00 Leonardo Kodato <leonardokodato(a)gmail.com>om>:
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I think if even google dropped support to IE8(in
their apps), why would
you
maintain it?
Besides, no one wants to make thousands of hacks just to support an old
browser.
And Xwiki is not just a wiki. Is a 2.0 Enterprise Wiki. IE8 doesn't sound
well with 2.0 hahaha.
Btw, 4 years is a lot of time. Who has a 4 year computer today?
You lost some old browser users, but you win some android, iPad and
Iphone
users.
That's is what I think as a user and a html developer.
Thank you =).
2014-03-11 11:35 GMT-03:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com
:
Currently
The current supported browser list is available
here
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy
Thanks,
Caty
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> For the 6.x cycle (
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Roadmaps/WebHome)
> we plan to develop a new skin Flamingo (
> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Skin4x ).
> > One of the advantages of this skin is that is **responsive**. > > IE8 doesn't natively support this
functionality.
> >
> > I am wondering how many of you are using this browser and how
difficult
>
would be upgrade to a newer version of IE (IE10, IE11).
>
> IE8 was released in March 2009 (4 years ago)
> IE9 - March 2011 (2 years ago)
> IE10 - Sept 2012 (17 months ago)
> IE11 - Oct 2013 (4 month ago)
>
> Let me know of any other problems that could prevent us from dropping
the
IE8
support.
Thanks,
Caty
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9:30 a.m.
On 12 Mar 2014 at 08:03:48, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
(valicac@gmail.com(mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
Hi Jeremie,
What version of XWiki are you using? Do you plan to upgrade to 6.x? 6.x
timeframe is by the end of the year (Dec 2014). Do you think you will still
be using IE8 next year (I don't know either how IT departments schedule the
upgrades)?
Note that this not fully true. I expect people to be able to use 6.x versions well before
the end of the cycle (actually starting with 6.0!). So if we drop support of IE8 in 6.0
then people won’t be able to use it and 6.0 is for April so it’s definitely not in 1 year
time…
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
Caty
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Jeremie BOUSQUET <
jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Well, not everyone is that lucky :)
Currently as you said it's an Enterprise wiki, and some enterprises do not
necessarily shine with being up-to-date. Currently in mine our official
browser is still IE8. And most of our customers also stick to IE8. In this
kind of context there is no solution, except praying that your IT will
schedule some upgrade not too far from now.
Not saying this is representative of the majority - I have no idea. I hope
not.
4 years seem quite old, but in my opinion it's quite sad to see that many
web apps have to drop support for so recent browsers versions, due to
maintenance costs (though completely understandable). We could have
imagined that a responsive js framework could gracefully manage when
browser is not responsive (do you remember, when web sites could imagine
that you didn't want to activate javascript and still "work" ? :) ). If
the
intention of these frameworks is to reach everyone everywhere from every
device, then it would seem logical to manage every browser ;-) But I must
say I'm not sure of what it means, or amount of work that would be needed.
BR,
Jeremie
PS: my own computer is more than 4 years old :)
2014-03-11 20:03 GMT+01:00 Leonardo Kodato :
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users mailing list
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http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users I think if even google dropped support to IE8(in
their apps), why would
you
maintain it?
Besides, no one wants to make thousands of hacks just to support an old
browser.
And Xwiki is not just a wiki. Is a 2.0 Enterprise Wiki. IE8 doesn't sound
well with 2.0 hahaha.
Btw, 4 years is a lot of time. Who has a 4 year computer today?
You lost some old browser users, but you win some android, iPad and
Iphone
users.
That's is what I think as a user and a html developer.
Thank you =).
2014-03-11 11:35 GMT-03:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) > > >:
Currently
The current supported browser list is available
here
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy
Thanks,
Caty
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> For the 6.x cycle (
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Roadmaps/WebHome)
> we plan to develop a new skin Flamingo (
> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Skin4x ).
> > One of the advantages of this skin is that is **responsive**. > > IE8 doesn't natively support this
functionality.
> >
> > I am wondering how many of you are using this browser and how
difficult
>
would be upgrade to a newer version of IE (IE10, IE11).
>
> IE8 was released in March 2009 (4 years ago)
> IE9 - March 2011 (2 years ago)
> IE10 - Sept 2012 (17 months ago)
> IE11 - Oct 2013 (4 month ago)
>
> Let me know of any other problems that could prevent us from dropping
the
> IE8 support.
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
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8:06 p.m.
Hi Caty,
2014-03-12 8:03 GMT+01:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>om>:
Hi Jeremie,
What version of XWiki are you using? Do you plan to upgrade to 6.x? 6.x
timeframe is by the end of the year (Dec 2014). Do you think you will still
be using IE8 next year (I don't know either how IT departments schedule the
upgrades)?
Well I currently use both 4.x (prod) and 5.x (tests). Usually I wait for
several iterations (near the end of an xwiki cycle or even far after the
end) to put a version in prod. I upgrade test server, when I think about it
or have some time to do so :) I think my next move will be to upgrade prod
to last 5.x version available, and there are chances that I stick on it for
a long time.
For IE8 I really don't know when it may be upgraded by our IT. Currently we
can upgrade by ourselves, but as we need to support IE8 on our own products
right now, it's somewhat easier to stick with it on our computers.
Obviously, I don't mean in any way that you should stick with IE8, just
providing my own feedback :) If you have to I'll adapt to the choice.
I think there's also a difference, between stopping support of a specific
browser version (and usually, there are chances that issues appear only
later, and that you can still use old version with almost no impact for
some time), and moving to a new technology or architecture that implies a
complete break of usability on old versions. Here I suspect it may be more
of the second kind. Gmail does not support IE8, but for the time being, the
only impact I saw personnally, is a message with a recommendation to
upgrade my browser version ...
Thanks,
Caty
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Jeremie BOUSQUET <
jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com> wrote:
valicac(a)gmail.com
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Hello,
Well, not everyone is that lucky :)
Currently as you said it's an Enterprise wiki, and some enterprises do
not
necessarily shine with being up-to-date.
Currently in mine our official
browser is still IE8. And most of our customers also stick to IE8. In
this
kind of context there is no solution, except
praying that your IT will
schedule some upgrade not too far from now.
Not saying this is representative of the majority - I have no idea. I
hope
not.
4 years seem quite old, but in my opinion it's quite sad to see that many
web apps have to drop support for so recent browsers versions, due to
maintenance costs (though completely understandable). We could have
imagined that a responsive js framework could gracefully manage when
browser is not responsive (do you remember, when web sites could imagine
that you didn't want to activate javascript and still "work" ? :) ). If
the
intention of these frameworks is to reach
everyone everywhere from every
device, then it would seem logical to manage every browser ;-) But I must
say I'm not sure of what it means, or amount of work that would be
needed.
BR,
Jeremie
PS: my own computer is more than 4 years old :)
2014-03-11 20:03 GMT+01:00 Leonardo Kodato <leonardokodato(a)gmail.com>om>:
sound
I think if even google dropped support to IE8(in
their apps), why would
you
> maintain it?
> Besides, no one wants to make thousands of hacks just to support an old
> browser.
> And Xwiki is not just a wiki. Is a 2.0 Enterprise Wiki. IE8 doesn't well with
2.0 hahaha.
Btw, 4 years is a lot of time. Who has a 4 year computer today?
You lost some old browser users, but you win some android, iPad and
Iphone
> users.
>
> That's is what I think as a user and a html developer.
>
> Thank you =).
>
>
>
>
> 2014-03-11 11:35 GMT-03:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < :
Currently
The current supported browser list is available
here
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy
Thanks,
Caty
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> For the 6.x cycle (
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Roadmaps/WebHome)
> we plan to develop a new skin Flamingo (
> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Skin4x ).
> > One of the advantages of this skin is that is **responsive**. > > IE8 doesn't natively support this
functionality.
> >
> > I am wondering how many of you are using this browser and how
difficult
> > > would be upgrade to a newer version of IE (IE10, IE11).
> > >
> > > IE8 was released in March 2009 (4 years ago)
> > > IE9 - March 2011 (2 years ago)
> > > IE10 - Sept 2012 (17 months ago)
> > > IE11 - Oct 2013 (4 month ago)
> > >
> > > Let me know of any other problems that could prevent us from the
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> IE8 support.
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
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