10 Apr
2007
10 Apr
'07
1:10 p.m.
Hi,
I new on this list and I'm not a native English speaker (so sorry by any
misspelling).
I would like to know if its possible or if some one have setup a multiple xwiki contexts
in only one data base model. I didn't find anything about it on FAQ.
So the idea is to have more than one xwiki running in one o more servers accessing the
same data base; but considering that each xwiki "instance" will have its own
data, menu layouts and so.
I have found this FAQ http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/FAQ/HowToSetupVirtualWikis
but it treats about multiple xwiki instances accessing different data bases.
Please, any help will be very welcome. If someone knows about any docs that I can read...
Best regards,
Igor Regis
10 Apr
10 Apr
1:22 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] Multiple xwiki
I believe you can set up multiple xwiki instances and configure hibernate to
use the same database.
Not sure what concurrency issues you can face though. And things like skin
are definitely filesystem-based, so you'll need to synchronize those
manually.
Pavel
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Hi,
I new on this list and I'm not a native English speaker (so sorry by any
misspelling).
I would like to know if its possible or if some one have setup a multiple
xwiki contexts in only one data base model. I didn't find anything about it
on FAQ.
So the idea is to have more than one xwiki running in one o more servers
accessing the same data base; but considering that each xwiki "instance"
will have its own data, menu layouts and so.
I have found this FAQ
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/FAQ/HowToSetupVirtualWikis
but it treats about multiple xwiki instances accessing different data bases.
Please, any help will be very welcome. If someone knows about any docs that
I can read...
Best regards,
Igor Regis
1:35 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] Multiple xwiki
On Apr 10, 2007, at 1:10 PM, igor_ti(a)yahoo.com.br wrote:
Hi,
I new on this list and I'm not a native English speaker (so sorry
by any misspelling).
I would like to know if its possible or if some one have setup a
multiple xwiki contexts in only one data base model. I didn't find
anything about it on FAQ.
So the idea is to have more than one xwiki running in one o more
servers accessing the same data base; but considering that each
xwiki "instance" will have its own data, menu layouts and so.
I have found this FAQ http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/FAQ/
HowToSetupVirtualWikis
but it treats about multiple xwiki instances accessing different
data bases.
Same database means same wiki content and thus same wiki...
If you want several projects to use the same wiki, the easiest is to
have one space per project for example.
Maybe you could let us know what's your functional need?
Thanks
-Vincent
Please, any help will be very welcome. If someone
knows about any
docs that I can read...
Best regards,
Igor Regis
2:47 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] Multiple xwiki
I have similar requirement, it seems representation layer consume more
resource than database server . Build cluster on this layer maybe greatly
improve performance .
2007/4/10, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
On Apr 10, 2007, at 1:10 PM, igor_ti(a)yahoo.com.br wrote:
Hi,
I new on this list and I'm not a native English speaker (so sorry
by any misspelling).
I would like to know if its possible or if some one have setup a
multiple xwiki contexts in only one data base model. I didn't find
anything about it on FAQ.
So the idea is to have more than one xwiki running in one o more
servers accessing the same data base; but considering that each
xwiki "instance" will have its own data, menu layouts and so.
I have found this FAQ http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/FAQ/
HowToSetupVirtualWikis
but it treats about multiple xwiki instances accessing different
data bases.
Same database means same wiki content and thus same wiki...
If you want several projects to use the same wiki, the easiest is to
have one space per project for example.
Maybe you could let us know what's your functional need?
Thanks
-Vincent
Please, any help will be very welcome. If someone
knows about any
docs that I can read...
Best regards,
Igor Regis
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2:51 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] Multiple xwiki
Hi Vincent,
The idea is to create a xwiki instance for each
corporation department; because it is a huge
corporation with more than 80.000 employees and about
30 departments (each one have a specific set of
hierarchy, rules and autonomy), and each wiki may have
thousands pages.
The problem is to set up these xwiki instances
accessing a unique centralized mainframe database mgr;
since in unlikely that our DBA team will let us to
create one database (table space,...) for each xwiki
instance.
We have discussed about creating a space per
department, but my boos asked me to find a way to
setup these multiple instances. But if it's
impossible... :-)
If you need more info about the requirements, I can
provide.
Regards,
Igor Regis
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Hi,
I new on this list and I'm not a native English
speaker (so sorry
by any misspelling).
I would like to know if its possible or if some
one have setup a
multiple xwiki contexts in only one data base
model. I didn't find
anything about it on FAQ.
So the idea is to have more than one xwiki running
in one o more
servers accessing the same data base; but
considering that each
xwiki "instance" will have its own
data, menu
layouts and so.
I have found this FAQ
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/FAQ/
HowToSetupVirtualWikis
but it treats about multiple xwiki instances
accessing different
data bases.
Same database means same wiki content and thus same
wiki...
If you want several projects to use the same wiki,
the easiest is to
have one space per project for example.
Maybe you could let us know what's your functional
need?
Thanks
-Vincent
Please, any help will be very welcome. If someone
knows about any
docs that I can read...
Best regards,
Igor Regis
4:07 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] Multiple xwiki
So, you want:
1. Make the same content available using one database, but more servlet
containers
2. Put different wikis inside the same internal database (one
mysql/oracle/postrges... instance, one database=collection of tables)
3. Put different wikis inside the same instance of sql server, but using
different internal databases (one mysql/oracle/postgres... instance, but
more databases=collections of tables)
I'd recommend 3, as it puts less stress on the database (joins take much
less).
1 is easy to accomplish too, but 2 will require some changes in the core.
On 4/10/07, Igor Regis <igor_ti(a)yahoo.com.br> wrote:
Hi Vincent,
The idea is to create a xwiki instance for each
corporation department; because it is a huge
corporation with more than 80.000 employees and about
30 departments (each one have a specific set of
hierarchy, rules and autonomy), and each wiki may have
thousands pages.
The problem is to set up these xwiki instances
accessing a unique centralized mainframe database mgr;
since in unlikely that our DBA team will let us to
create one database (table space,...) for each xwiki
instance.
We have discussed about creating a space per
department, but my boos asked me to find a way to
setup these multiple instances. But if it's
impossible... :-)
If you need more info about the requirements, I can
provide.
Regards,
Igor Regis
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4:47 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] Multiple xwiki
Thanks to organize my questions Sergiu Dumitriu!
I want to do the item 2. We have considered the item
3, but as I have mentioned before our DBA team
probably will not let us to do this - don't ask me why
:-).
So the question remains: Is it possible to setup
really different wiki's on the same database (server
and "tables")?
--- Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu.dumitriu(a)gmail.com>
escreveu:
So, you want:
1. Make the same content available using one
database, but more servlet
containers
2. Put different wikis inside the same internal
database (one
mysql/oracle/postrges... instance, one
database=collection of tables)
3. Put different wikis inside the same instance of
sql server, but using
different internal databases (one
mysql/oracle/postgres... instance, but
more databases=collections of tables)
I'd recommend 3, as it puts less stress on the
database (joins take much
less).
1 is easy to accomplish too, but 2 will require some
changes in the core.
On 4/10/07, Igor Regis <igor_ti(a)yahoo.com.br> wrote:
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Hi Vincent,
The idea is to create a xwiki instance for each
corporation department; because it is a huge
corporation with more than 80.000 employees and
about
30 departments (each one have a specific set of
hierarchy, rules and autonomy), and each wiki may
have
thousands pages.
The problem is to set up these xwiki instances
accessing a unique centralized mainframe database
mgr;
since in unlikely that our DBA team will let us
to
create one database (table space,...) for each
xwiki
instance.
We have discussed about creating a space per
department, but my boos asked me to find a way to
setup these multiple instances. But if it's
impossible... :-)
If you need more info about the requirements, I
can
provide.
Regards,
Igor Regis
--
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5:21 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] Multiple xwiki
Hi,
On 4/10/07, Igor Regis <igor_ti(a)yahoo.com.br> wrote:
Thanks to organize my questions Sergiu Dumitriu!
I want to do the item 2. We have considered the item
3, but as I have mentioned before our DBA team
probably will not let us to do this - don't ask me why
:-).
So the question remains: Is it possible to setup
really different wiki's on the same database (server
and "tables")?
i would say no without rewriting the back end. Or maybe using the JCR
backend, i don't remember how are handle multiwiki on this
environment.
I would recommend like Sergiu to use the solution 3. The others need
more development.
jeremi
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5:33 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] Multiple xwiki
It is possible to implement this, but it is currently not implemented.
Unfortunately, the core developers don't have the time right now, unless
maybe a support contract between XPertNet and your company is established.
So the only solutions are to use method 3, or find someone to get inside the
XWiki core and implement support for method 2.
On 4/10/07, Igor Regis <igor_ti(a)yahoo.com.br> wrote:
Thanks to organize my questions Sergiu Dumitriu!
I want to do the item 2. We have considered the item
3, but as I have mentioned before our DBA team
probably will not let us to do this - don't ask me why
:-).
So the question remains: Is it possible to setup
really different wiki's on the same database (server
and "tables")?
--- Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu.dumitriu(a)gmail.com>
escreveu:
Sergiu
--
http://purl.org/net/sergiu
So, you want:
1. Make the same content available using one
database, but more servlet
containers
2. Put different wikis inside the same internal
database (one
mysql/oracle/postrges... instance, one
database=collection of tables)
3. Put different wikis inside the same instance of
sql server, but using
different internal databases (one
mysql/oracle/postgres... instance, but
more databases=collections of tables)
I'd recommend 3, as it puts less stress on the
database (joins take much
less).
1 is easy to accomplish too, but 2 will require some
changes in the core.
On 4/10/07, Igor Regis <igor_ti(a)yahoo.com.br> wrote:
Hi Vincent,
The idea is to create a xwiki instance for each
corporation department; because it is a huge
corporation with more than 80.000 employees and
about
30 departments (each one have a specific set of
hierarchy, rules and autonomy), and each wiki may
have
thousands pages.
The problem is to set up these xwiki instances
accessing a unique centralized mainframe database
mgr;
since in unlikely that our DBA team will let us
to
create one database (table space,...) for each
xwiki
instance.
We have discussed about creating a space per
department, but my boos asked me to find a way to
setup these multiple instances. But if it's
impossible... :-)
If you need more info about the requirements, I
can
> provide.
>
> Regards,
> Igor Regis
>
>
6:51 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] Multiple xwiki
Thank you for all the answers!
I'm a ope source developer too and I know how hard is
to find free time to develop open source code.
I will take the options to my boos and see what they
will decide.
Thanks,
Igor Regis
--- Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu.dumitriu(a)gmail.com>
escreveu:
It is possible to implement this, but it is
currently not implemented.
Unfortunately, the core developers don't have the
time right now, unless
maybe a support contract between XPertNet and your
company is established.
So the only solutions are to use method 3, or find
someone to get inside the
XWiki core and implement support for method 2.
On 4/10/07, Igor Regis <igor_ti(a)yahoo.com.br> wrote:
Sergiu
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Thanks to organize my questions Sergiu Dumitriu!
I want to do the item 2. We have considered the
item
3, but as I have mentioned before our DBA team
probably will not let us to do this - don't ask me
why
:-).
So the question remains: Is it possible to setup
really different wiki's on the same database
(server
and "tables")?
--- Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu.dumitriu(a)gmail.com>
escreveu:
> So, you want:
>
> 1. Make the same content available using one
> database, but more servlet
> containers
> 2. Put different wikis inside the same internal
> database (one
> mysql/oracle/postrges... instance, one
> database=collection of tables)
> 3. Put different wikis inside the same instance
of
> sql server, but using
> different internal databases (one
> mysql/oracle/postgres... instance, but
> more databases=collections of tables)
>
> I'd recommend 3, as it puts less stress on the
> database (joins take much
> less).
>
> 1 is easy to accomplish too, but 2 will require
some
> changes in the core.
>
> On 4/10/07, Igor Regis <igor_ti(a)yahoo.com.br>
wrote:
> >
> > Hi Vincent,
> >
> > The idea is to create a xwiki instance for
each
> > corporation department; because it is a
huge
> > corporation with more than 80.000 employees
and
> about
> > 30 departments (each one have a specific set
of
> > hierarchy, rules and autonomy), and
each wiki
may
> have
> > thousands pages.
> > The problem is to set up these xwiki instances
> > accessing a unique centralized mainframe
database
> mgr;
> > since in unlikely that our DBA team will let
us to
> > create one database (table space,...)
for each
> xwiki
> > instance.
> > We have discussed about creating a space per
> > department, but my boos asked me to find a way
to
> > setup these multiple instances. But if
it's
> > impossible... :-)
> >
> > If you need more info about the requirements,
I
can
> provide.
>
> Regards,
> Igor Regis
>
>
6:17 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] Multiple xwiki
Hi,
Solution 2 is difficult to implement and might have some issues..
You could imagine modifying the table names to include the name of the wiki.
Howerve this is complex because table names are handled by hibernate so
you would need to intercept table names in hibernate.
Second you could end up with way to many tables in the database and hit
some table number limits in the schema
Ludovic
Igor Regis a écrit :
Thanks to organize my questions Sergiu Dumitriu!
I want to do the item 2. We have considered the item
3, but as I have mentioned before our DBA team
probably will not let us to do this - don't ask me why
:-).
So the question remains: Is it possible to setup
really different wiki's on the same database (server
and "tables")?
--- Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu.dumitriu(a)gmail.com>
escreveu:
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AIM: nvludo Yahoo: ludovic
So, you want:
1. Make the same content available using one
database, but more servlet
containers
2. Put different wikis inside the same internal
database (one
mysql/oracle/postrges... instance, one
database=collection of tables)
3. Put different wikis inside the same instance of
sql server, but using
different internal databases (one
mysql/oracle/postgres... instance, but
more databases=collections of tables)
I'd recommend 3, as it puts less stress on the
database (joins take much
less).
1 is easy to accomplish too, but 2 will require some
changes in the core.
On 4/10/07, Igor Regis <igor_ti(a)yahoo.com.br> wrote:
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Hi Vincent,
The idea is to create a xwiki instance for each
corporation department; because it is a huge
corporation with more than 80.000 employees and
about
30 departments (each one have a specific set of
hierarchy, rules and autonomy), and each wiki may
have
thousands pages.
The problem is to set up these xwiki instances
accessing a unique centralized mainframe database
mgr;
since in unlikely that our DBA team will let us
to
create one database (table space,...) for each
xwiki
instance.
We have discussed about creating a space per
department, but my boos asked me to find a way to
setup these multiple instances. But if it's
impossible... :-)
If you need more info about the requirements, I
can
provide.
Regards,
Igor Regis
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7:18 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] Multiple xwiki
I'm not aware of xwiki internals, but if data accessed purely via hibernate,
do you think that one could create deployment-specific mappings with lets
say prefixed table names?
I.e. for 30 departments one may have 30 xwiki deployments. All instances
connect to the same db.
One instance => one prefix => one set of mappings => one set of tables.
Could it possibly work?
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From: Ludovic Dubost [mailto:ludovic@xwiki.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:17 PM
To: xwiki-users(a)objectweb.org
Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Multiple xwiki
Hi,
Solution 2 is difficult to implement and might have some issues..
You could imagine modifying the table names to include the name of the wiki.
Howerve this is complex because table names are handled by hibernate so you
would need to intercept table names in hibernate.
Second you could end up with way to many tables in the database and hit some
table number limits in the schema
Ludovic
Igor Regis a йcrit :
Thanks to organize my questions Sergiu Dumitriu!
I want to do the item 2. We have considered the item 3, but as I have
mentioned before our DBA team probably will not let us to do this -
don't ask me why :-).
So the question remains: Is it possible to setup really different
wiki's on the same database (server and "tables")?
--- Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu.dumitriu(a)gmail.com>
escreveu:
mailing
list.
So, you want:
1. Make the same content available using one database, but more
servlet containers 2. Put different wikis inside the same internal
database (one mysql/oracle/postrges... instance, one
database=collection of tables) 3. Put different wikis inside the same
instance of sql server, but using different internal databases (one
mysql/oracle/postgres... instance, but more databases=collections of
tables)
I'd recommend 3, as it puts less stress on the database (joins take
much less).
1 is easy to accomplish too, but 2 will require some changes in the
core.
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The idea is to create a xwiki instance for each corporation
department; because it is a huge corporation with more than 80.000
employees and
about
30 departments (each one have a specific set of
hierarchy, rules and
autonomy), and each wiki may
have
thousands pages.
The problem is to set up these xwiki instances accessing a unique
centralized mainframe database
mgr;
since in unlikely that our DBA team will let us
to create one
database (table space,...) for each
xwiki
instance.
We have discussed about creating a space per department, but my boos
asked me to find a way to setup these multiple instances. But if
it's impossible... :-)
If you need more info about the requirements, I
can
provide.
Regards,
Igor Regis
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8:42 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] Multiple xwiki
Hi,
One solution is to create 30 hibernate SessionFactory and use the right
one before each query. As far as I remember it is possible to have these
SessionFactory objects share the same JDBC connection. Creating the
SessionFactory with the correct table names will need to modify the hbm
file on the fly before creating the SessionFactory object.
What's sure is that this does not scale to hundreds of virtual wikis but
it could work under 100.
Ludovic
Pavel a e'crit :
I'm not aware of xwiki internals, but if data
accessed purely via hibernate,
do you think that one could create deployment-specific mappings with lets
say prefixed table names?
I.e. for 30 departments one may have 30 xwiki deployments. All instances
connect to the same db.
One instance => one prefix => one set of mappings => one set of tables.
Could it possibly work?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ludovic Dubost [mailto:ludovic@xwiki.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:17 PM
To: xwiki-users(a)objectweb.org
Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Multiple xwiki
Hi,
Solution 2 is difficult to implement and might have some issues..
You could imagine modifying the table names to include the name of the wiki.
Howerve this is complex because table names are handled by hibernate so you
would need to intercept table names in hibernate.
Second you could end up with way to many tables in the database and hit some
table number limits in the schema
Ludovic
Igor Regis a йcrit :
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XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com
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Thanks to organize my questions Sergiu Dumitriu!
I want to do the item 2. We have considered the item 3, but as I have
mentioned before our DBA team probably will not let us to do this -
don't ask me why :-).
So the question remains: Is it possible to setup really different
wiki's on the same database (server and "tables")?
--- Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu.dumitriu(a)gmail.com>
escreveu:
mailing list.
So, you want:
1. Make the same content available using one database, but more
servlet containers 2. Put different wikis inside the same internal
database (one mysql/oracle/postrges... instance, one
database=collection of tables) 3. Put different wikis inside the same
instance of sql server, but using different internal databases (one
mysql/oracle/postgres... instance, but more databases=collections of
tables)
I'd recommend 3, as it puts less stress on the database (joins take
much less).
1 is easy to accomplish too, but 2 will require some changes in the
core.
On 4/10/07, Igor Regis <igor_ti(a)yahoo.com.br> wrote:
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Hi Vincent,
The idea is to create a xwiki instance for each corporation
department; because it is a huge corporation with more than 80.000
employees and
about
30 departments (each one have a specific set of
hierarchy, rules and
autonomy), and each wiki may
have
thousands pages.
The problem is to set up these xwiki instances accessing a unique
centralized mainframe database
mgr;
since in unlikely that our DBA team will let us
to create one
database (table space,...) for each
xwiki
instance.
We have discussed about creating a space per department, but my boos
asked me to find a way to setup these multiple instances. But if
it's impossible... :-)
If you need more info about the requirements, I
can
provide.
Regards,
Igor Regis
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