30 Jun
2011
30 Jun
'11
9:15 a.m.
Hi guys,
I installed the "Admin Tools" plugin
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/AdminTools
And found that half the stuff didn't work anyway.
Regardless, carrying on, I am hoping the User Rights tool will be helpful,
however it can't seem to check the most important user:
the Unregistered User
And what is worse, I discovered by accident that the Unregistered User can
access the space!
For example, an unregistered user can access the /xwiki/Admin/RunQuery page,
which could be used to run queries directly on the database, for example
select * from xwikipreferences
Does this give anyone else a heart attack too??
WHY is there no default "cannot view unless admin says so" mode?
This is a problem with all of my spaces. When I create a space, I want to
then have to go and ALLOW people to access it. Not open by default, that is
much harder to configure.
Can someone please look at rights management, it seems to be insecure by
default, and makes me scared.
thanks.
Paul
30 Jun
30 Jun
9:22 a.m.
On 30 June 2011 15:15, Paul Harris <harris.pc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys,
I installed the "Admin Tools" plugin
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/AdminTools
snip
And what is worse, I discovered by accident that the Unregistered User can
access the space!
For example, an unregistered user can access the /xwiki/Admin/RunQuery
page, which could be used to run queries directly on the database, for
example
select * from xwikipreferences
further to this,
I wanted to try and restrict access to this Admin space.
I set DENY access for all rights, for the "Unregistered User", and for
XWikiAllGroup. (so, two rows of red-crosses)
There are no other ticks or crosses in any other rows...
Yet, my user "PaulHarris" still has access to the Admin space! Why?
See attached, screenshot from the "Rights Check Tool",
Clearly you can see that the group is denied access, yet the user has ALLOW
access... how can that be, nothing is ticked? How can a missing tick
override a big red NO setting?
thanks
Paul
9:39 a.m.
Hi,
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Paul Harris <harris.pc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys,
I installed the "Admin Tools" plugin
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/AdminTools
And found that half the stuff didn't work anyway.
Regardless, carrying on, I am hoping the User Rights tool will be helpful,
however it can't seem to check the most important user:
the Unregistered User
And what is worse, I discovered by accident that the Unregistered User can
access the space!
For example, an unregistered user can access the /xwiki/Admin/RunQuery
page,
which could be used to run queries directly on the database, for example
select * from xwikipreferences
Does this give anyone else a heart attack too??
I don't think this "extension" is part of the standard XE/XEM release. You
should be careful when installing extensions.
WHY is there no default "cannot view unless admin says so" mode?
This is a problem with all of my spaces. When I create a space, I want to
then have to go and ALLOW people to access it. Not open by default, that
is
much harder to configure.
It's a wiki, and wikis are supposed to be open by default. If the the
default behaviour is "closed", it would be hard for a normal user to create
a space and allow other users to contribute content (he'll have to wait for
the admin to open that space).
This is only my personal understanding and I'm not a professional XWiki
user, so let's wait for some other views as well.
Thanks.
- Asiri
Can someone please look at rights management, it seems to be insecure by
default, and makes me scared.
thanks.
Paul
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9:49 a.m.
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 09:39, Asiri Rathnayake
<asiri.rathnayake(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Yes it's exactly that, wiki that only an admin can contribute to is
not a wiki... maybe a CMS.
Also making default XE distribution private is very easy you just have
to setup global rights and you are done for the whole wiki.
Hi,
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Paul Harris <harris.pc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Yes this extension is a contribution and is not written or supported
by the XWiki Core team.
Hi guys,
I installed the "Admin Tools" plugin
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/AdminTools
And found that half the stuff didn't work anyway.
Regardless, carrying on, I am hoping the User Rights tool will be helpful,
however it can't seem to check the most important user:
the Unregistered User
And what is worse, I discovered by accident that the Unregistered User can
access the space!
For example, an unregistered user can access the /xwiki/Admin/RunQuery
page,
which could be used to run queries directly on the database, for example
select * from xwikipreferences
Does this give anyone else a heart attack too??
I don't think this "extension" is part of the standard XE/XEM release. You
should be careful when installing extensions.
WHY is there no default "cannot view unless admin says so" mode?
This is a problem with all of my spaces. When I create a space, I want to
then have to go and ALLOW people to access it. Not open by default, that
is
much harder to configure.
It's a wiki, and wikis are supposed to be open by default. If the the
default behaviour is "closed", it would be hard for a normal user to create
a space and allow other users to contribute content (he'll have to wait for
the admin to open that space).
This is only my personal understanding and I'm not a professional XWiki
user, so let's wait for some other views as well.
Thanks.
- Asiri
--
Thomas Mortagne
Can someone please look at rights management, it seems to be insecure by
default, and makes me scared.
thanks.
Paul
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9:50 a.m.
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 09:22, Paul Harris <harris.pc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 30 June 2011 15:15, Paul Harris
<harris.pc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
This mailing list does not allow attachment files. If you found a bug
create an issue on http://jira.xwiki.org with all details to reproduce
it.
Hi guys,
I installed the "Admin Tools" plugin
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/AdminTools
snip
And what is worse, I discovered by accident that the Unregistered User can
access the space!
For example, an unregistered user can access the /xwiki/Admin/RunQuery
page, which could be used to run queries directly on the database, for
example
select * from xwikipreferences
further to this,
I wanted to try and restrict access to this Admin space.
I set DENY access for all rights, for the "Unregistered User", and for
XWikiAllGroup. (so, two rows of red-crosses)
There are no other ticks or crosses in any other rows...
Yet, my user "PaulHarris" still has access to the Admin space! Why?
See attached, screenshot from the "Rights Check Tool",
Clearly you can see that the group is denied access, yet the user has ALLOW
access... how can that be, nothing is ticked? How can a missing tick
override a big red NO setting?
thanks
Paul
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9:57 a.m.
On 30 June 2011 15:49, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
create
That is not my point.
The wiki is open for editing, but only to registered users, and some spaces
are only available to a subset of those users. Its mostly to prevent
vandalism, plus some pages people want to only share with their particular
group of users.
There may be many many users, and if its "open by default" then it becomes
more difficult to figure out who could have access to what.
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 09:39, Asiri Rathnayake
<asiri.rathnayake(a)gmail.com> wrote:
You
It was suggested in the official XWiki Upgrade documentation,
see bottom of page here:
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Installation
I assumed the core team would only mention quality extensions in
documentation like that.
Hi,
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Paul Harris <harris.pc(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I installed the "Admin Tools" plugin
> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/AdminTools
>
> And found that half the stuff didn't work anyway.
>
> Regardless, carrying on, I am hoping the User Rights tool will be
helpful,
> however it can't seem to check the most
important user:
> the Unregistered User
>
> And what is worse, I discovered by accident that the Unregistered User
can
access
the space!
For example, an unregistered user can access the /xwiki/Admin/RunQuery
page,
which could be used to run queries directly on the database, for example
select * from xwikipreferences
Does this give anyone else a heart attack too??
I don't think this "extension" is part of the standard XE/XEM release.
should be careful when installing extensions.
Yes this extension is a contribution and is not written or supported
by the XWiki Core team.
> WHY is
there no default "cannot view unless admin says so" mode?
> This is a problem with all of my spaces. When I create a space, I want
to
> then have to go and ALLOW people to access
it. Not open by default,
that
is
much harder to configure.
It's a wiki, and wikis are supposed to be open by default. If the the
default behaviour is "closed", it would be hard for a normal user to a space and allow other users to contribute
content (he'll have to wait
for
the admin to open that space).
This is only my personal understanding and I'm not a professional XWiki
user, so let's wait for some other views as well.
Yes it's exactly that, wiki that only an admin can contribute to is
not a wiki... maybe a CMS.
Also making default XE distribution private is very
easy you just have
to setup global rights and you are done for the whole wiki.
How do I do that ?
9:59 a.m.
On 30 June 2011 15:50, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 09:22, Paul Harris
<harris.pc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
ALLOW
The attachment was of a table...
Space Admin
Right Allow Users Groups view,comment,edit,delete,admin DenyXWiki.XWikiGuest
view,comment,edit,delete,admin Deny XWiki.XWikiAllGroup
Group or User VIEW COMMENT EDIT ADMIN *User XWiki.PaulHarris* true
truetruetrue
can you see the html table?
thanks,
Paul
On 30 June 2011 15:15, Paul Harris
<harris.pc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
can
Hi guys,
I installed the "Admin Tools" plugin
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/AdminTools
snip
>
> And what is worse, I discovered by accident that the Unregistered User access
the space!
For example, an unregistered user can access the /xwiki/Admin/RunQuery
page, which could be used to run queries directly on the database, for
example
select * from xwikipreferences
further to this,
I wanted to try and restrict access to this Admin space.
I set DENY access for all rights, for the "Unregistered User", and for
XWikiAllGroup. (so, two rows of red-crosses)
There are no other ticks or crosses in any other rows...
Yet, my user "PaulHarris" still has access to the Admin space! Why?
See attached, screenshot from the "Rights Check Tool",
Clearly you can see that the group is denied access, yet the user has access... how can that be, nothing is ticked?
How can a missing tick
override a big red NO setting?
This mailing list does not allow attachment files. If you found a bug
create an issue on http://jira.xwiki.org with all details to reproduce
it.
10:20 a.m.
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 09:57, Paul Harris <harris.pc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 30 June 2011 15:49, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
create
That is not my point.
The wiki is open for editing, but only to registered users, and some spaces
are only available to a subset of those users. Its mostly to prevent
vandalism, plus some pages people want to only share with their particular
group of users.
There may be many many users, and if its "open by default" then it becomes
more difficult to figure out who could have access to what.
Go to the general right management UI and only give rights to admin
group (no need to use deny, just set blank), that will implicitly
remove theses right for any other user. That's why users don't have
admin right for example in a default XE even if guest have it when you
did not yet imported XE and its default right configuration. Then you
can give specific rights space by space.
Don't forget to give view right on XWiki space for users since a lot
of default applications actually have there code there so user need to
be able to view/execute it.
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 09:39, Asiri Rathnayake
<asiri.rathnayake(a)gmail.com> wrote:
You
It was suggested in the official XWiki Upgrade documentation,
see bottom of page here:
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Installation
I assumed the core team would only mention quality extensions in
documentation like that.
Hi,
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Paul Harris <harris.pc(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I installed the "Admin Tools" plugin
> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/AdminTools
>
> And found that half the stuff didn't work anyway.
>
> Regardless, carrying on, I am hoping the User Rights tool will be
helpful,
> however it can't seem to check the most
important user:
> the Unregistered User
>
> And what is worse, I discovered by accident that the Unregistered User
can
access
the space!
For example, an unregistered user can access the /xwiki/Admin/RunQuery
page,
which could be used to run queries directly on the database, for example
select * from xwikipreferences
Does this give anyone else a heart attack too??
I don't think this "extension" is part of the standard XE/XEM release.
should be careful when installing extensions.
Yes this extension is a contribution and is not written or supported
by the XWiki Core team.
> WHY
is there no default "cannot view unless admin says so" mode?
> This is a problem with all of my spaces. When I create a space, I want
to
> then have to go and ALLOW people to access
it. Not open by default,
that
is
much harder to configure.
It's a wiki, and wikis are supposed to be open by default. If the the
default behaviour is "closed", it would be hard for a normal user to a space and allow other users to contribute
content (he'll have to wait
for
the admin to open that space).
This is only my personal understanding and I'm not a professional XWiki
user, so let's wait for some other views as well.
Yes it's exactly that, wiki that only an admin can contribute to is
not a wiki... maybe a CMS.
Also making default XE distribution private is
very easy you just have
to setup global rights and you are done for the whole wiki.
How do I do that ? _______________________________________________
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10:26 a.m.
Paul,
actually XWiki offers quite some fine grained rights administration.
Go to the XWiki administration page and then to 'rights' administration.
There you should see a couple of 'Prevent unregistered users from ...'
options.
Prevent unregistered users from viewing pages, regardless of the page or
space rights no
Prevent unregistered users from editing pages, regardless of the page or
space rights yes
Require unregistered users to solve a captcha when posting a comment on
a page yes
(this is from XE 2.6. but I guess that hasn't changed since then ...)
Actually I'd recommend not to overuse the 'rights' stuff and keep it as
simple as possible.
When you have pages that include other documents hunting for missing
rights can get tricky ...
Andreas
10:33 a.m.
On 30 June 2011 16:26, Andreas Hahn <ahahn(a)gmx.net> wrote:
Paul,
actually XWiki offers quite some fine grained rights administration.
Go to the XWiki administration page and then to 'rights' administration.
There you should see a couple of 'Prevent unregistered users from ...'
options.
Prevent unregistered users from viewing pages, regardless of the page or
space rights no
Prevent unregistered users from editing pages, regardless of the page or
space rights yes
Require unregistered users to solve a captcha when posting a comment on
a page yes
I'm a bit confused by this... I don't see how you could call this particular
option "fine grained"
I still want unregistered users to be able to see the front page, and maybe
a page or two more - describing who we are and how to join up.
If I tick those options, surely they would not be able to see any Welcome
page that I wanted them to see?
(this is from XE 2.6. but I guess that hasn't
changed since then ...)
Actually I'd recommend not to overuse the 'rights' stuff and keep it as
simple as possible.
When you have pages that include other documents hunting for missing
rights can get tricky ...
I thought my requirements were simple enough... stop people from seeing
stuff I don't want them to see.
But unfortunately its harder than I thought.
cheers
Paul
10:39 a.m.
On 30 June 2011 16:20, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 09:57, Paul Harris
<harris.pc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
It was suggested in the official XWiki Upgrade documentation,
see bottom of page here:
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Installation
I assumed the core team would only mention quality extensions in
documentation like that.
> >> WHY is there no default "cannot view unless admin says so" mode?
> >> This is a problem with all of my spaces. When I create a space, I
want
That is not my point.
The wiki is open for editing, but only to registered users, and some spaces
On 30 June 2011 15:49, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 09:39, Asiri Rathnayake
> <asiri.rathnayake(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Paul Harris <harris.pc(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi guys,
> >>
> >> I installed the "Admin Tools" plugin
> >> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/AdminTools
> >>
> >> And found that half the stuff didn't work anyway.
> >>
> >> Regardless, carrying on, I am hoping the User Rights tool will be
> helpful,
> >> however it can't seem to check the most important user:
> >> the Unregistered User
> >>
> >> And what is worse, I discovered by accident that the Unregistered
User
> can
> >> access the space!
> >> For example, an unregistered user can access the
/xwiki/Admin/RunQuery
> >> page,
> >> which could be used to run queries directly on the database, for
example
> select * from xwikipreferences
>
> Does this give anyone else a heart attack too??
>
I don't think this "extension" is part of the standard XE/XEM release.
You
should be careful when installing extensions.
Yes this extension is a contribution and is not written or supported
by the XWiki Core team.
> to
> >> then have to go and ALLOW people to access it. Not open by default,
> that
> >> is
> >> much harder to configure.
> >>
> >
> > It's a wiki, and wikis are supposed to be open by default. If the the
> > default behaviour is "closed", it would be hard for a normal user to
> create
> > a space and allow other users to contribute content (he'll have to
wait
> for
> > the admin to open that space).
> >
> > This is only my personal understanding and I'm not a professional
XWiki
user, so let's wait for some other views as well.
Yes it's exactly that, wiki that only an admin can contribute to is
not a wiki... maybe a CMS.
are only available to a subset of those users.
Its mostly to prevent
vandalism, plus some pages people want to only share with their
particular
group of users.
There may be many many users, and if its "open by default" then it
becomes
more difficult to figure out who could have
access to what.
Go to the general right management UI and only give rights to admin
group (no need to use deny, just set blank), that will implicitly
remove theses right for any other user. That's why users don't have
admin right for example in a default XE even if guest have it when you
did not yet imported XE and its default right configuration. Then you
can give specific rights space by space. Also making default XE distribution private is
very easy you just have
to setup global rights and you are done for the whole wiki.
How do I do that ? Don't forget to give view right on XWiki space for
users since a lot
of default applications actually have there code there so user need to
be able to view/execute it.
Have you tested this? It doesn't work for me...
I want the registered users to be able to see the Main/Welcome page, but
nothing else.
I did what you said, I have ticked View for XWikiAllGroup (not just admin),
and left everyone else's View right as Unticked.
Then I added a green tick in the View right in the XWiki space for the
Unregistered User.
When the unregistered user looks at the main welcome page, they can see the
content, but the black-to-grey styling is broken (I'm using the NightFall
colours with Colibri skin).
ideas?
thanks
Paul
10:53 a.m.
Am 30.06.2011 10:33, schrieb Paul Harris:
I'm a bit confused by this... I don't see how you could call this particular
option "fine grained"
I still want unregistered users to be able to see the front page, and maybe
a page or two more - describing who we are and how to join up.
If I tick those options, surely they would not be able to see any Welcome
page that I wanted them to see?
Well, I can't speak for releases newer than 2.6 - but for that it was
really simple.
Maybe you haven't found the 'uregistered users' settings on the users
rights form ?
have a look at http://shept.org - it's xwiki powered does pretty much
what you describe.
I don't remember any particular problems with the rights setup ....
Andreas
(this is from XE 2.6. but I guess that hasn't
changed since then ...)
Actually I'd recommend not to overuse the 'rights' stuff and keep it as
simple as possible.
When you have pages that include other documents hunting for missing
rights can get tricky ...
I thought my requirements were simple enough... stop people from seeing
stuff I don't want them to see.
But unfortunately its harder than I thought.
cheers
Paul
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10:58 a.m.
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:39, Paul Harris <harris.pc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 30 June 2011 16:20, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
You are describing me the default view right configuration here which
is the opposite of what I told you to do, I you want users to only
access spaces you decided them to access you should not give them view
right. Or are do you want that only for unregistered users ? Your
first mail is not very clear about that.
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 09:57, Paul Harris
<harris.pc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
want
spaces
On 30 June 2011 15:49, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 09:39, Asiri Rathnayake
> <asiri.rathnayake(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Paul Harris <harris.pc(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi guys,
> >>
> >> I installed the "Admin Tools" plugin
> >> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/AdminTools
> >>
> >> And found that half the stuff didn't work anyway.
> >>
> >> Regardless, carrying on, I am hoping the User Rights tool will be
> helpful,
> >> however it can't seem to check the most important user:
> >> the Unregistered User
> >>
> >> And what is worse, I discovered by accident that the Unregistered
User
> can
> >> access the space!
> >> For example, an unregistered user can access the
/xwiki/Admin/RunQuery
> >> page,
> >> which could be used to run queries directly on the database, for
example
>>
select * from xwikipreferences
>>
>> Does this give anyone else a heart attack too??
>>
>
> I don't think this "extension" is part of the standard XE/XEM
release.
You
> should be careful when installing extensions.
Yes this extension is a contribution and is not written or supported
by the XWiki Core team.
It was suggested in the official XWiki Upgrade documentation,
see bottom of page here:
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Installation
I assumed the core team would only mention quality extensions in
documentation like that.
> >> WHY is there no default "cannot view unless admin says so" mode?
> >> This is a problem with all of my spaces. When I create a space, I > to
> >> then have to go and ALLOW people to access it. Not open by default,
> that
> >> is
> >> much harder to configure.
> >>
> >
> > It's a wiki, and wikis are supposed to be open by default. If the the
> > default behaviour is "closed", it would be hard for a normal user to
> create
> > a space and allow other users to contribute content (he'll have to
wait
> for
> > the admin to open that space).
> >
> > This is only my personal understanding and I'm not a professional
XWiki
>
user, so let's wait for some other views as well.
Yes it's exactly that, wiki that only an admin can contribute to is
not a wiki... maybe a CMS.
That is not my point.
The wiki is open for editing, but only to registered users, and some are only available to a subset of those users.
Its mostly to prevent
vandalism, plus some pages people want to only share with their
particular
group of users.
There may be many many users, and if its "open by default" then it
becomes
more difficult to figure out who could have
access to what.
Go to the general right management UI and only give rights to admin
group (no need to use deny, just set blank), that will implicitly
remove theses right for any other user. That's why users don't have
admin right for example in a default XE even if guest have it when you
did not yet imported XE and its default right configuration. Then you
can give specific rights space by space. Also making default XE distribution private is
very easy you just have
to setup global rights and you are done for the whole wiki.
How do I do that ? Don't forget to give view right on XWiki
space for users since a lot
of default applications actually have there code there so user need to
be able to view/execute it.
Have you tested this? It doesn't work for me...
I want the registered users to be able to see the Main/Welcome page, but
nothing else.
I did what you said, I have ticked View for XWikiAllGroup (not just admin),
and left everyone else's View right as Unticked.
Then I added a green tick in the View right in the XWiki space for the
Unregistered User.
Be careful with that, as I explained you if you give view right only
to unregistered users then everyone else won't have it (except admins
of course).
When the unregistered user looks at the main welcome page, they can see the
content, but the black-to-grey styling is broken (I'm using the NightFall
colours with Colibri skin).
If you want unregistered user to see main page then it should have the
right to do so, main page is not in XWiki space so if you removed view
right globally it's not going to work unless you give view right on
Main space of Main.WebHome page itself.
ideas?
thanks
Paul
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On 30 June 2011 16:58, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
I gave the unregistered user View access to Main.WebHome, AND to the Main
space, however the styling is still broken.
The frame around the text is just grey instead of the black-grey gradient.
thanks,
Paul
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:39, Paul Harris
<harris.pc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
admin),
I want:
* unregistered users to see Main/WebHome and thats it.
* ALL users to only see Main/WebHome and thats it
* users in Group "ABC" to be able to see spaces "X" and "Y"
* users in Group "DEF" to be able to see spaces "X" and "Z"
How do I do that?
On 30 June 2011 16:20, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 09:57, Paul Harris <harris.pc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 30 June 2011 15:49, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 09:39, Asiri Rathnayake
> >> <asiri.rathnayake(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Paul Harris
<harris.pc(a)gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi guys,
> >> >>
> >> >> I installed the "Admin Tools" plugin
> >> >> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/AdminTools
> >> >>
> >> >> And found that half the stuff didn't work anyway.
> >> >>
> >> >> Regardless, carrying on, I am hoping the User Rights tool will be
> >> helpful,
> >> >> however it can't seem to check the most important user:
> >> >> the Unregistered User
> >> >>
> >> >> And what is worse, I discovered by accident that the Unregistered
> User
> >> can
> >> >> access the space!
> >> >> For example, an unregistered user can access the
> /xwiki/Admin/RunQuery
> >> >> page,
> >> >> which could be used to run queries directly on the database, for
> example
> >> >> select * from xwikipreferences
> >> >>
> >> >> Does this give anyone else a heart attack too??
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > I don't think this "extension" is part of the standard
XE/XEM
release.
> >> You
> >> > should be careful when installing extensions.
> >>
> >> Yes this extension is a contribution and is not written or supported
> >> by the XWiki Core team.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > It was suggested in the official XWiki Upgrade documentation,
> > see bottom of page here:
> > http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Installation
> >
> > I assumed the core team would only mention quality extensions in
> > documentation like that.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> >> WHY is there no default "cannot view unless admin says
so" mode?
> >> >> This is a problem with all of my spaces. When I create a space, I
> want
> >> to
> >> >> then have to go and ALLOW people to access it. Not open by
default,
> >> that
> >> >> is
> >> >> much harder to configure.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > It's a wiki, and wikis are supposed to be open by default. If the
the
> >> > default behaviour is
"closed", it would be hard for a normal user
to
> >> create
> >> > a space and allow other users to contribute content (he'll have to
> wait
> >> for
> >> > the admin to open that space).
> >> >
> >> > This is only my personal understanding and I'm not a professional
> XWiki
> >> > user, so let's wait for some other views as well.
> >>
> >> Yes it's exactly that, wiki that only an admin can contribute to is
> >> not a wiki... maybe a CMS.
> >>
> >>
> > That is not my point.
> >
> > The wiki is open for editing, but only to registered users, and some
> spaces
> > are only available to a subset of those users. Its mostly to prevent
> > vandalism, plus some pages people want to only share with their
> particular
> > group of users.
> >
> > There may be many many users, and if its "open by default" then it
> becomes
> > more difficult to figure out who could have access to what.
> >
> >
> >
> >> Also making default XE distribution private is very easy you just
have
> to setup global rights and you are done for the
whole wiki.
>
>
How do I do that ?
Go to the general right management UI and only give rights to admin
group (no need to use deny, just set blank), that will implicitly
remove theses right for any other user. That's why users don't have
admin right for example in a default XE even if guest have it when you
did not yet imported XE and its default right configuration. Then you
can give specific rights space by space. Don't forget to give view right on XWiki
space for users since a lot
of default applications actually have there code there so user need to
be able to view/execute it.
Have you tested this? It doesn't work for me...
I want the registered users to be able to see the Main/Welcome page, but
nothing else.
I did what you said, I have ticked View for XWikiAllGroup (not just and left everyone else's View right as
Unticked.
You are describing me the default view right configuration here which
is the opposite of what I told you to do, I you want users to only
access spaces you decided them to access you should not give them view
right. Or are do you want that only for unregistered users ? Your
first mail is not very clear about that.
Then I added a green tick in the View right in the XWiki space for the
Unregistered User.
Be careful with that, as I explained you if you give view right only
to unregistered users then everyone else won't have it (except admins
of course).
When the unregistered user looks at the main welcome page, they can see
the
content, but the black-to-grey styling is broken
(I'm using the NightFall
colours with Colibri skin).
If you want unregistered user to see main page then it should have the
right to do so, main page is not in XWiki space so if you removed view
right globally it's not going to work unless you give view right on
Main space of Main.WebHome page itself.
11:11 a.m.
When the unregistered user looks at the main welcome page, they can see
the
content, but the black-to-grey styling is broken
(I'm using the
NightFall
colours with Colibri skin).
If you want unregistered user to see main page then it should have the
right to do so, main page is not in XWiki space so if you removed view
right globally it's not going to work unless you give view right on
Main space of Main.WebHome page itself.
11:18 a.m.
On 30 June 2011 16:53, Andreas Hahn <ahahn(a)gmx.net> wrote:
Am 30.06.2011 10:33, schrieb Paul Harris:
Hi Andreas,
Your site is perfect for illustrating my concerns about the "open by
default" configuration of xwiki.
I was able to register an account (I used my real email, but it could've
been a fake one), and was able to make a comment on your page here:
http://shept.org/docs/Shept/Features
Did you really intend to leave that page open for comments? I would guess
not, since you turned off comments on your WebHome page.
I find it very scary how easy it is to leave doors and windows open.
I can shut the doors I find open, but I have no way of confirming that I
have closed all the doors, especially the back doors that I do not know
about (eg whatever is in the XWiki space)
cheers
Paul
I'm a bit confused by this... I don't see how you could call this
particular
option "fine grained"
I still want unregistered users to be able to see the front page, and
maybe
a page or two more - describing who we are and
how to join up.
If I tick those options, surely they would not be able to see any Welcome
page that I wanted them to see?
Well, I can't speak for releases newer than 2.6 - but for that it was
really simple.
Maybe you haven't found the 'uregistered users' settings on the users
rights form ?
have a look at http://shept.org - it's xwiki powered does pretty much
what you describe.
I don't remember any particular problems with the rights setup ....
Andreas
11:28 a.m.
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:11, Paul Harris <harris.pc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I gave the unregistered user View access to Main.WebHome, AND to the Main
space, however the styling is still broken.
The frame around the text is just grey instead of the black-grey gradient.
thanks,
Paul
Further to this, the problem is that an unregistered user does not have
permission to access the link:
http://host.com/xwiki/download/ColorThemes/Nightfall/bg8x540.jpg
That's because I actually forgot that color themes are not in the
XWiki space, as you can see in the link it's in ColorThemes space so
you should give view right on it too.
When the unregistered user looks at the main welcome page, they can see
the
content, but the black-to-grey styling is broken
(I'm using the
NightFall
colours with Colibri skin).
If you want unregistered user to see main page then it should have the
right to do so, main page is not in XWiki space so if you removed view
right globally it's not going to work unless you give view right on
Main space of Main.WebHome page itself.
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11:38 a.m.
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:18, Paul Harris <harris.pc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 30 June 2011 16:53, Andreas Hahn
<ahahn(a)gmx.net> wrote:
There is only one main places (global wiki) with right setup by
default then you have several technical spaces with restricted edit
access to admin group like XWiki and ColorThemes (and that's the same
space that should have view right enabled in a closed wiki since there
where are located resources shared everywhere) and that's it. If you
find anything else, it's a bug.
If you remove comment right globally then you don't have it anywhere
else, same for any other right.
Am 30.06.2011 10:33, schrieb Paul Harris:
Hi Andreas,
Your site is perfect for illustrating my concerns about the "open by
default" configuration of xwiki.
I was able to register an account (I used my real email, but it could've
been a fake one), and was able to make a comment on your page here:
http://shept.org/docs/Shept/Features
Did you really intend to leave that page open for comments? I would guess
not, since you turned off comments on your WebHome page.
I find it very scary how easy it is to leave doors and windows open.
I can shut the doors I find open, but I have no way of confirming that I
have closed all the doors, especially the back doors that I do not know
about (eg whatever is in the XWiki space)
I'm a bit confused by this... I don't see how you could call this
particular
option "fine grained"
I still want unregistered users to be able to see the front page, and
maybe
a page or two more - describing who we are and
how to join up.
If I tick those options, surely they would not be able to see any Welcome
page that I wanted them to see?
Well, I can't speak for releases newer than 2.6 - but for that it was
really simple.
Maybe you haven't found the 'uregistered users' settings on the users
rights form ?
have a look at http://shept.org - it's xwiki powered does pretty much
what you describe.
I don't remember any particular problems with the rights setup ....
Andreas
cheers
Paul
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12:09 p.m.
Hi Andreas,
Your site is perfect for illustrating my concerns about the "open by
default" configuration of xwiki.
I was able to register an account (I used my real email, but it could've
been a fake one), and was able to make a comment on your page here:
http://shept.org/docs/Shept/Features
Did you really intend to leave that page open for comments? I would guess
not, since you turned off comments on your WebHome page.
I find it very scary how easy it is to leave doors and windows open.
I can shut the doors I find open, but I have no way of confirming that I
have closed all the doors, especially the back doors that I do not know
about (eg whatever is in the XWiki space)
cheers
Paul
Hi Paul,
well you can make a philosophy out of what information should be allowed
and restricted ...
As for shept.org as an open source project I'm pretty fine with the
current setup.
I get regular notifications about what's beeing changed and should there
be some offending stuff there's always the option to delete it.
I'm running other XWiki sites with more restricted rights.
My approach for getting more confidence about security settings was
studying the server logs and understanding what the robots find out.
Of course you can also do the same before going public with some
site-copy tool ...
ciao
Andreas
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1:15 a.m.
On 30 June 2011 17:28, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:11, Paul Harris
<harris.pc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
That's because I actually forgot that color themes are not in the
XWiki space, as you can see in the link it's in ColorThemes space so
you should give view right on it too.
Thanks Thomas, that seems to have done the job!
Is this documented anywhere?
>
>
>> >
>> >
>> > When the unregistered user looks at the main welcome page, they can
see
>> the
>> > content, but the black-to-grey styling is broken (I'm using the
>> NightFall
>> > colours with Colibri skin).
>>
>> If you want unregistered user to see main page then it should have the
>> right to do so, main page is not in XWiki space so if you removed view
>> right globally it's not going to work unless you give view right on
>> Main space of Main.WebHome page itself.
>>
>>
> I gave the unregistered user View access to Main.WebHome, AND to the
Main
> space, however the styling is still broken.
> The frame around the text is just grey instead of the black-grey
gradient.
thanks,
Paul
Further to this, the problem is that an unregistered user does not have
permission to access the link:
http://host.com/xwiki/download/ColorThemes/Nightfall/bg8x540.jpg
4:24 a.m.
On 30 June 2011 18:09, Andreas Hahn <ahahn(a)gmx.net> wrote:
In your secure wikis, did you check this page:
http://shept.org/docs/XWiki/Import#Attachments
An Unregistered, un-logged on user can download any .xar that you have
uploaded and imported...
which means if you have imported content from eg another wiki, then the user
could download the .xar and load all of your content onto his own xwiki
instance, and see all of your secured content.
I'm not happy about allowing View access on the entire XWiki space, there
are a lot of things in there that probably shouldn't be accessible ... but
its hard to tell !
Hi Andreas,
Your site is perfect for illustrating my concerns about the "open by
default" configuration of xwiki.
I was able to register an account (I used my real email, but it could've
been a fake one), and was able to make a comment on your page here:
http://shept.org/docs/Shept/Features
Did you really intend to leave that page open for comments? I would
guess
not, since you turned off comments on your
WebHome page.
I find it very scary how easy it is to leave doors and windows open.
I can shut the doors I find open, but I have no way of confirming that I
have closed all the doors, especially the back doors that I do not know
about (eg whatever is in the XWiki space)
cheers
Paul
Hi Paul,
well you can make a philosophy out of what information should be allowed
and restricted ...
As for shept.org as an open source project I'm pretty fine with the
current setup.
I get regular notifications about what's beeing changed and should there
be some offending stuff there's always the option to delete it.
I'm running other XWiki sites with more restricted rights.
My approach for getting more confidence about security settings was
studying the server logs and understanding what the robots find out.
Of course you can also do the same before going public with some
site-copy tool ...
ciao
Andreas
8:52 a.m.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 01:15, Paul Harris <harris.pc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 30 June 2011 17:28, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Should be on http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Access+Rights
or http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/RightsManagement
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:11, Paul Harris
<harris.pc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
That's because I actually forgot that color themes are not in the
XWiki space, as you can see in the link it's in ColorThemes space so
you should give view right on it too.
Thanks Thomas, that seems to have done the job!
Is this documented anywhere? >
>
>> >
>> >
>> > When the unregistered user looks at the main welcome page, they can
see
>> the
>> > content, but the black-to-grey styling is broken (I'm using the
>> NightFall
>> > colours with Colibri skin).
>>
>> If you want unregistered user to see main page then it should have the
>> right to do so, main page is not in XWiki space so if you removed view
>> right globally it's not going to work unless you give view right on
>> Main space of Main.WebHome page itself.
>>
>>
> I gave the unregistered user View access to Main.WebHome, AND to the
Main
> space, however the styling is still broken.
> The frame around the text is just grey instead of the black-grey
gradient.
thanks,
Paul
Further to this, the problem is that an unregistered user does not have
permission to access the link:
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8:56 a.m.
On 1 July 2011 14:52, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 01:15, Paul Harris
<harris.pc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I see no mention of making a wiki proper-private, like I'm trying to do.
I've also found that I need to allow write access to the Panels space,
for Panels to work too.
There seems to be some gaps in the xwiki design here. How can we go
about plugging the holes and extending the documentation?
On 30 June 2011 17:28, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Should be on http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Access+Rights
or http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/RightsManagement
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:11, Paul Harris
<harris.pc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Thomas, that seems to have done the job!
Is this documented anywhere? >
>
>> >
>> >
>> > When the unregistered user looks at the main welcome page, they can
see
>> the
>> > content, but the black-to-grey styling is broken (I'm using the
>> NightFall
>> > colours with Colibri skin).
>>
>> If you want unregistered user to see main page then it should have the
>> right to do so, main page is not in XWiki space so if you removed view
>> right globally it's not going to work unless you give view right on
>> Main space of Main.WebHome page itself.
>>
>>
> I gave the unregistered user View access to Main.WebHome, AND to the
Main
> space, however the styling is still broken.
> The frame around the text is just grey instead of the black-grey
gradient.
>
> thanks,
> Paul
>
>
Further to this, the problem is that an unregistered user does not have
permission to access the link:
http://host.com/xwiki/download/ColorThemes/Nightfall/bg8x540.jpg
That's because I actually forgot that color themes are not in the
XWiki space, as you can see in the link it's in ColorThemes space so
you should give view right on it too.
9:02 a.m.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 08:56, Paul Harris <harris.pc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 1 July 2011 14:52, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
It's an open wiki, just register on xwiki.org and edit any page you
would like to improve. Everything in this wiki is actually
contribution there is noone assigned full time to make sure eveything
is always documented.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 01:15, Paul Harris
<harris.pc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I see no mention of making a wiki proper-private, like I'm trying to do.
I've also found that I need to allow write access to the Panels space,
for Panels to work too.
There seems to be some gaps in the xwiki design here. How can we go
about plugging the holes and extending the documentation? On 30 June 2011 17:28, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Should be on http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Access+Rights
or http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/RightsManagement
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:11, Paul Harris
<harris.pc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > When the unregistered user looks at the main welcome page, they can
see
>>> the
>>> > content, but the black-to-grey styling is broken (I'm using the
>>> NightFall
>>> > colours with Colibri skin).
>>>
>>> If you want unregistered user to see main page then it should have the
>>> right to do so, main page is not in XWiki space so if you removed view
>>> right globally it's not going to work unless you give view right on
>>> Main space of Main.WebHome page itself.
>>>
>>>
>> I gave the unregistered user View access to Main.WebHome, AND to the
Main
>> space, however the styling is still broken.
>> The frame around the text is just grey instead of the black-grey
gradient.
>>
>> thanks,
>> Paul
>>
>>
>
> Further to this, the problem is that an unregistered user does not have
> permission to access the link:
> http://host.com/xwiki/download/ColorThemes/Nightfall/bg8x540.jpg
That's because I actually forgot that color themes are not in the
XWiki space, as you can see in the link it's in ColorThemes space so
you should give view right on it too.
Thanks Thomas, that seems to have done the job!
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