29 Aug
2006
29 Aug
'06
6:59 p.m.
We just completed a conversion from XWiki to TWiki because of the numerous
limitations of XWiki (really awful to understand permissions system, slow
pace of development, lack of plugins, horrid look and feel, etc.). We
initially tried to convert the syntax to TWiki using perl with
Parse::RecDescent. Since the grammar is rather unstructured and
regex/exception based this isn't an easy thing to do. We were successfully
in hacking up a version of XWiki/Radeox that outputs the XWIki syntax as
TWiki syntax. Since this uses the native structures inside the original java
code the conversion is much cleaner.
If anyone else is migrating from XWiki to TWiki let me know if you'd like
the code to batch convert the whole wiki at once. I'm happy to save others
the pain of doing this themselves.
As an aside, I am dismayed at the slow progress of XWiki in the time we have
been using it (over a year and a half). I was also quite appalled when I
started digging into the code to this, it's messy, undocumented, and rife
with duplicate logic.
29 Aug
29 Aug
10:09 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] Converting from XWiki to TWiki
Paul,
I am myself dismayed about your attitude and your lack of respect of
Open Source developers.
You might be one of these people that like Open Source much more because
it's free and because you can dig into other's people knowledge and
creations at will than because you can participate and help enhance and
improve it.
I'm really sorry that you lack of implication (although you have been
following the users and developers list since you have got 7 of your
questions answered without having help answer to any of the other's
users questions) have made you not notive that despite what you think
XWiki has made a lot of progress.
You would have seen that there is an XWiki 0.9.1252 which has many
improved features like:
- TinyMCE based WYSIWYG editor compatible with the XWiki syntax done
by a Google Summer of Code student
- Backlinks support
- Improved API with write-API and many new functions helping write web
sites
- A charting Wizard done by a Google Summer of Code student
- Multi Wiki support like no other wiki
- An XPath based Query language done by a Google Summe of Code student
- A cluster mode contributed by TripAdvisor.com
You would also have seen that a Google Summer of Code is in the works with:
- Support JCR for storage with a migration path from hibernate database
storage
- A AJAX form editor
- A new XWiki 1.0 skin implementing the Usability recommandations
worked on last year
- A P2P Replication protocol allowing to work Offline and run XWiki on
multiple servers
It's sad that you haven't seen that we are trying hard to build a long
lasting Open Source Wiki able to tackle tomorrow's Wiki challenges. And
this not only takes code, documentation, but also the ability to invest
steadily in XWiki. I've personnally spent 2 years without any salary
working on XWiki as I created my own company. Thanks to users and
companies that better understand Open Source and our approach than you
do, we now have been able to hire close to 10 people to work on XWiki
and on projects based on XWiki. Close to 40 companies have trusted our
services to ask us to help them build solutions on top of XWiki.
Hundreds of companies are using XWiki for free. XWiki has been selected
for France State funded research project on Collaboration on P2P and
Mobility environements.
Also it's funny that I've received the same day as your email
congratulations and credits from the Sibelius-Academy in Finland which
has been using XWiki for the Music History Web Site
(http://muhi.siba.fi/ -> it's in Finnish). Apparently they have been
able to tweak the XWiki look and feel better than you did.
I'm mainly sorry for you that you don't realize that Open Source
development means tons of hours of hard work shared with a community
which of course is free to use it or to use something else. But I tend
to believe that the minimum that users of Open Source software should
have is respect for developers sharing their work with a community. I
just hope that you will learn this while joining the TWiki community
which I have a lot of respect for as I've been using and contributing to
TWiki for 3 years before writing XWiki.
We'll take the positive out of your nasty email, which I'm sure is due
to frustration at not finding what you needed from XWiki (a free lunch
?). We'll try to learn from it to improve our documentation, developer
guides (anybody wanting to help ?), our code quality and architecture.
I realize that this email might sound a little aggressive towards you,
but sometimes it's good to set things straight.
Good luck for you in the future. I just hope you'll be a better user and
contributor of TWiki.
Ludovic
Paul Dlug a écrit :
We just completed a conversion from XWiki to TWiki
because of the
numerous limitations of XWiki (really awful to understand permissions
system, slow pace of development, lack of plugins, horrid look and
feel, etc.). We initially tried to convert the syntax to TWiki using
perl with Parse::RecDescent. Since the grammar is rather unstructured
and regex/exception based this isn't an easy thing to do. We were
successfully in hacking up a version of XWiki/Radeox that outputs the
XWIki syntax as TWiki syntax. Since this uses the native structures
inside the original java code the conversion is much cleaner.
If anyone else is migrating from XWiki to TWiki let me know if you'd
like the code to batch convert the whole wiki at once. I'm happy to
save others the pain of doing this themselves.
As an aside, I am dismayed at the slow progress of XWiki in the time
we have been using it (over a year and a half). I was also quite
appalled when I started digging into the code to this, it's messy,
undocumented, and rife with duplicate logic.
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31 Aug
31 Aug
9:29 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] Converting from XWiki to TWiki
Let me add, we use xwiki here since a few month. We choose it amongst
other for various reasons
1) Support for mulitlingual pages, as we work in a bilingual
environment, it was mandatory for us
2) Ability to export to PDF, as is, our collaboraters use xwiki to write
document that can be later printed in a big book
3) It's written in java, that mean it can easily integrate with our
other servlet based application
4) It was possible to customize the login system, so xwiki could connect
to our already existing list of users (would have been very difficult
with something else that java)
Though xwiki is not a polished wiki, it works well for our purpose, and
is better than other wikis we tried. Only bad point imho, is the fact it
absolutely does not work on oracle.
Btw, where is this *marvelous* tinyMCE based editor, i want to see it at
work ^^ ^^, this will be greatly appreciated by our standard users :)
Ludovic Dubost a écrit :
Paul,
I am myself dismayed about your attitude and your lack of respect of
Open Source developers.
You might be one of these people that like Open Source much more
because it's free and because you can dig into other's people
knowledge and creations at will than because you can participate and
help enhance and improve it.
I'm really sorry that you lack of implication (although you have been
following the users and developers list since you have got 7 of your
questions answered without having help answer to any of the other's
users questions) have made you not notive that despite what you think
XWiki has made a lot of progress.
You would have seen that there is an XWiki 0.9.1252 which has many
improved features like:
- TinyMCE based WYSIWYG editor compatible with the XWiki syntax done
by a Google Summer of Code student
- Backlinks support
- Improved API with write-API and many new functions helping write
web sites
- A charting Wizard done by a Google Summer of Code student
- Multi Wiki support like no other wiki
- An XPath based Query language done by a Google Summe of Code student
- A cluster mode contributed by TripAdvisor.com
You would also have seen that a Google Summer of Code is in the works
with:
- Support JCR for storage with a migration path from hibernate
database storage
- A AJAX form editor
- A new XWiki 1.0 skin implementing the Usability recommandations
worked on last year
- A P2P Replication protocol allowing to work Offline and run XWiki on
multiple servers
It's sad that you haven't seen that we are trying hard to build a long
lasting Open Source Wiki able to tackle tomorrow's Wiki challenges.
And this not only takes code, documentation, but also the ability to
invest steadily in XWiki. I've personnally spent 2 years without any
salary working on XWiki as I created my own company. Thanks to users
and companies that better understand Open Source and our approach than
you do, we now have been able to hire close to 10 people to work on
XWiki and on projects based on XWiki. Close to 40 companies have
trusted our services to ask us to help them build solutions on top of
XWiki. Hundreds of companies are using XWiki for free. XWiki has been
selected for France State funded research project on Collaboration on
P2P and Mobility environements.
Also it's funny that I've received the same day as your email
congratulations and credits from the Sibelius-Academy in Finland
which has been using XWiki for the Music History Web Site
(http://muhi.siba.fi/ -> it's in Finnish). Apparently they have been
able to tweak the XWiki look and feel better than you did.
I'm mainly sorry for you that you don't realize that Open Source
development means tons of hours of hard work shared with a community
which of course is free to use it or to use something else. But I tend
to believe that the minimum that users of Open Source software should
have is respect for developers sharing their work with a community. I
just hope that you will learn this while joining the TWiki community
which I have a lot of respect for as I've been using and contributing
to TWiki for 3 years before writing XWiki.
We'll take the positive out of your nasty email, which I'm sure is due
to frustration at not finding what you needed from XWiki (a free lunch
?). We'll try to learn from it to improve our documentation, developer
guides (anybody wanting to help ?), our code quality and architecture.
I realize that this email might sound a little aggressive towards you,
but sometimes it's good to set things straight.
Good luck for you in the future. I just hope you'll be a better user
and contributor of TWiki.
Ludovic
Paul Dlug a écrit :
We just completed a conversion from XWiki to
TWiki because of the
numerous limitations of XWiki (really awful to understand permissions
system, slow pace of development, lack of plugins, horrid look and
feel, etc.). We initially tried to convert the syntax to TWiki using
perl with Parse::RecDescent. Since the grammar is rather unstructured
and regex/exception based this isn't an easy thing to do. We were
successfully in hacking up a version of XWiki/Radeox that outputs the
XWIki syntax as TWiki syntax. Since this uses the native structures
inside the original java code the conversion is much cleaner.
If anyone else is migrating from XWiki to TWiki let me know if you'd
like the code to batch convert the whole wiki at once. I'm happy to
save others the pain of doing this themselves.
As an aside, I am dismayed at the slow progress of XWiki in the time
we have been using it (over a year and a half). I was also quite
appalled when I started digging into the code to this, it's messy,
undocumented, and rife with duplicate logic.
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4:29 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] Converting from XWiki to TWiki
You can try the WYSIWYG Editor by creating a wiki on http://www.xwiki.com
Then go to the preferences and in "Editor" switch to WYSIWYG
Ludovic
Tchize a écrit :
Let me add, we use xwiki here since a few month. We
choose it amongst
other for various reasons
1) Support for mulitlingual pages, as we work in a bilingual
environment, it was mandatory for us
2) Ability to export to PDF, as is, our collaboraters use xwiki to write
document that can be later printed in a big book
3) It's written in java, that mean it can easily integrate with our
other servlet based application
4) It was possible to customize the login system, so xwiki could connect
to our already existing list of users (would have been very difficult
with something else that java)
Though xwiki is not a polished wiki, it works well for our purpose, and
is better than other wikis we tried. Only bad point imho, is the fact it
absolutely does not work on oracle.
Btw, where is this *marvelous* tinyMCE based editor, i want to see it at
work ^^ ^^, this will be greatly appreciated by our standard users :)
Ludovic Dubost a écrit :
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XPertNet: http://www.xpertnet.fr/
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XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com
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Paul,
I am myself dismayed about your attitude and your lack of respect of
Open Source developers.
You might be one of these people that like Open Source much more
because it's free and because you can dig into other's people
knowledge and creations at will than because you can participate and
help enhance and improve it.
I'm really sorry that you lack of implication (although you have been
following the users and developers list since you have got 7 of your
questions answered without having help answer to any of the other's
users questions) have made you not notive that despite what you think
XWiki has made a lot of progress.
You would have seen that there is an XWiki 0.9.1252 which has many
improved features like:
- TinyMCE based WYSIWYG editor compatible with the XWiki syntax done
by a Google Summer of Code student
- Backlinks support
- Improved API with write-API and many new functions helping write
web sites
- A charting Wizard done by a Google Summer of Code student
- Multi Wiki support like no other wiki
- An XPath based Query language done by a Google Summe of Code student
- A cluster mode contributed by TripAdvisor.com
You would also have seen that a Google Summer of Code is in the works
with:
- Support JCR for storage with a migration path from hibernate
database storage
- A AJAX form editor
- A new XWiki 1.0 skin implementing the Usability recommandations
worked on last year
- A P2P Replication protocol allowing to work Offline and run XWiki on
multiple servers
It's sad that you haven't seen that we are trying hard to build a long
lasting Open Source Wiki able to tackle tomorrow's Wiki challenges.
And this not only takes code, documentation, but also the ability to
invest steadily in XWiki. I've personnally spent 2 years without any
salary working on XWiki as I created my own company. Thanks to users
and companies that better understand Open Source and our approach than
you do, we now have been able to hire close to 10 people to work on
XWiki and on projects based on XWiki. Close to 40 companies have
trusted our services to ask us to help them build solutions on top of
XWiki. Hundreds of companies are using XWiki for free. XWiki has been
selected for France State funded research project on Collaboration on
P2P and Mobility environements.
Also it's funny that I've received the same day as your email
congratulations and credits from the Sibelius-Academy in Finland
which has been using XWiki for the Music History Web Site
(http://muhi.siba.fi/ -> it's in Finnish). Apparently they have been
able to tweak the XWiki look and feel better than you did.
I'm mainly sorry for you that you don't realize that Open Source
development means tons of hours of hard work shared with a community
which of course is free to use it or to use something else. But I tend
to believe that the minimum that users of Open Source software should
have is respect for developers sharing their work with a community. I
just hope that you will learn this while joining the TWiki community
which I have a lot of respect for as I've been using and contributing
to TWiki for 3 years before writing XWiki.
We'll take the positive out of your nasty email, which I'm sure is due
to frustration at not finding what you needed from XWiki (a free lunch
?). We'll try to learn from it to improve our documentation, developer
guides (anybody wanting to help ?), our code quality and architecture.
I realize that this email might sound a little aggressive towards you,
but sometimes it's good to set things straight.
Good luck for you in the future. I just hope you'll be a better user
and contributor of TWiki.
Ludovic
Paul Dlug a écrit :
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We just completed a conversion from XWiki to
TWiki because of the
numerous limitations of XWiki (really awful to understand permissions
system, slow pace of development, lack of plugins, horrid look and
feel, etc.). We initially tried to convert the syntax to TWiki using
perl with Parse::RecDescent. Since the grammar is rather unstructured
and regex/exception based this isn't an easy thing to do. We were
successfully in hacking up a version of XWiki/Radeox that outputs the
XWIki syntax as TWiki syntax. Since this uses the native structures
inside the original java code the conversion is much cleaner.
If anyone else is migrating from XWiki to TWiki let me know if you'd
like the code to batch convert the whole wiki at once. I'm happy to
save others the pain of doing this themselves.
As an aside, I am dismayed at the slow progress of XWiki in the time
we have been using it (over a year and a half). I was also quite
appalled when I started digging into the code to this, it's messy,
undocumented, and rife with duplicate logic.
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30 Aug
30 Aug
6:51 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] Converting from XWiki to TWiki
Sorry to hear that as well.
I met a lot of people which thanked me after I introduced them to XWiki. And
if I did not contribute more than that it is not because of a lack of
interest -there are so many features and XWiki is packed with great
technology...
I'd like to express my thanks to the XWiki team and user community. Keep the
great work!
On August 29, 2006 12:59 pm, Paul Dlug wrote:
We just completed a conversion from XWiki to TWiki
because of the numerous
limitations of XWiki (really awful to understand permissions system, slow
pace of development, lack of plugins, horrid look and feel, etc.). We
initially tried to convert the syntax to TWiki using perl with
Parse::RecDescent. Since the grammar is rather unstructured and
regex/exception based this isn't an easy thing to do. We were successfully
in hacking up a version of XWiki/Radeox that outputs the XWIki syntax as
TWiki syntax. Since this uses the native structures inside the original
java code the conversion is much cleaner.
If anyone else is migrating from XWiki to TWiki let me know if you'd like
the code to batch convert the whole wiki at once. I'm happy to save others
the pain of doing this themselves.
As an aside, I am dismayed at the slow progress of XWiki in the time we
have been using it (over a year and a half). I was also quite appalled when
I started digging into the code to this, it's messy, undocumented, and rife
with duplicate logic.
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