23 Apr
2015
23 Apr
'15
11:39 a.m.
I'm sure we can debate this all day.
XWiki is very simple for end users to use. The actual purpose of the wiki (to allow people
to create/edit/view articles/pages) is simple and straight-forward. I have everyone in our
organisation using it successfully, and trust me, some of the end users should not be
allowed near computers. But they managed to use the system for its purpose just fine. That
doesn't mean that they can all install, configure, update and customise XWiki.
I'll give you another analogy. XWiki is like a fine car. Cars are easy to use and
drive by almost anyone. But that doesn't mean everyone can fix a car. Even if you know
a little bit about how engines work and how to change the oil etc. Some jobs just have to
be left to the professionals. XWiki is the same. Everyone can use it very easily. But when
it comes to the advanced stuff, if you can't understand the excellent documentation,
and no one can help you on the mailing list then the problem is not with XWiki.
I consider myself a very competent engineer and developer, but there are some things that
even I find quite advanced in XWiki. That goes to show how powerful it is (and what a
great job the developers have done).
Anyway I don’t think this is too constructive for the mailing list so I will stop here.
You are entitled to your opinion and I am to mine (I think XWiki is great). If you
don't like XWiki then I hope you find something that suits you better. That's the
beauty of the internet and open source. You can always find something that suits you or
make your own :)
Kind regards,
Mahomed
-----Original Message-----
From: users [mailto:users-bounces@xwiki.org] On Behalf Of Pascal BASTIEN
Sent: 22 April 2015 22:23
To: XWiki Users; Maciej Fokt
Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Clear them all! :p
Hello,I'm sorry, I'm not agree with you : a powerfull system must hide the systems
complexity... And it is a wiki : it's mean if there aren't enough simple
documentation then anybody (high ueser AND "normal people" with non computer
vision) must write a page to contribute and make more available for "simple"
user. :-)
IMO we can use a simple xwiki and/or use higher level xwiki and/or a customized one.
:-)
Pascal B.
De : Mahomed Hussein <Mahomed(a)CustodianDC.com>
À : Maciej Fokt <maciek.fokt(a)taxi123.pl>pl>; XWiki Users <users(a)xwiki.org>
Envoyé le : Mercredi 22 avril 2015 18h37
Objet : Re: [xwiki-users] Clear them all! :p
That's just the way technology is. The more powerful a system is, and the more options
it has, then the more "technical" it is. If you want something that's easy
for "no computer" people then I'm afraid you need to use something which has
less features and power. A jumbo jet pilot needs to have more experience and knowledge
than a Cessna pilot. The jumbo jet has more buttons and features and probably cannot be
easily or ever flown by a Cessna pilot. That's just the way things are.
XWiki actually has VERY good documentation (some of the best I've seen, and I've
seen a lot of systems). It also has a helpful mailing list. Unfortunately it's not
XWiki' s fault if you can't understand the documentation or the help that you have
been offered several times here.
I genuinely hope you manage to find a system that you like and works for you.
Kind regards,
Mahomed
-----Original Message-----
From: Maciej Fokt [mailto:maciek.fokt@taxi123.pl]
Sent: 22 April 2015 17:27
To: XWiki Users; Mahomed Hussein
Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Clear them all! :p
No way... I have back to the 1.1 version and now i haven't settings...
Why XWiki (good, big and helpful toll) can be so hard for "no computer"
people...
Thanks all for help, but XWiki is too hard for me, I think.
W dniu .04.2015 o 18:00 Mahomed Hussein <Mahomed(a)custodiandc.com> pisze:
He has a problem with his install and I believe he
wants to "reset" the
system so it will be the same as when he installed it for the first
time. I don't think this is possible without uninstalling, then
searching and deleting all files/folders related and then installing
from the beginning.
Kind regards,
-----Original Message-----
From: users [mailto:users-bounces@xwiki.org] On Behalf Of Ecaterina
Moraru (Valica)
Sent: 22 April 2015 16:30
To: XWiki Users
Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Clear them all! :p
I guess you could revert the WebPreferences history to version 1.1.
For example, in the Administration you have this URL:
- "xwiki/bin/admin/XWiki/XWikiPreferences"
You could do:
- "xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/XWikiPreferences?viewer=history"
and then on the version 1.1 use "Rollback".
Not sure if this is what you meant.
Thanks,
Caty
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Maciej Fokt <maciek.fokt(a)taxi123.pl>
wrote:
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Hello,
Is there option to return to the first contain and settings? I mean, I
want to clear everything. I would like to back to the settings after
installation.
Greetings,
Maciek.
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23 Apr
23 Apr
11:56 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] Clear them all! :p
Hi,
First of all I'd like to thank Mahomed for the nice words he said about
XWiki.
I agree that we must try to make XWiki as simple as it can be for the
end-users and, as Pascal said, one solution for this is to improve the
documentation.
The problem is that I'm not sure I completely understood what problem
Maciek has (in order to improve it).
Thanks,
Caty
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Mahomed Hussein <Mahomed(a)custodiandc.com>
wrote:
I'm sure we can debate this all day.
XWiki is very simple for end users to use. The actual purpose of the wiki
(to allow people to create/edit/view articles/pages) is simple and
straight-forward. I have everyone in our organisation using it
successfully, and trust me, some of the end users should not be allowed
near computers. But they managed to use the system for its purpose just
fine. That doesn't mean that they can all install, configure, update and
customise XWiki.
I'll give you another analogy. XWiki is like a fine car. Cars are easy to
use and drive by almost anyone. But that doesn't mean everyone can fix a
car. Even if you know a little bit about how engines work and how to change
the oil etc. Some jobs just have to be left to the professionals. XWiki is
the same. Everyone can use it very easily. But when it comes to the
advanced stuff, if you can't understand the excellent documentation, and no
one can help you on the mailing list then the problem is not with XWiki.
I consider myself a very competent engineer and developer, but there are
some things that even I find quite advanced in XWiki. That goes to show how
powerful it is (and what a great job the developers have done).
Anyway I don’t think this is too constructive for the mailing list so I
will stop here. You are entitled to your opinion and I am to mine (I think
XWiki is great). If you don't like XWiki then I hope you find something
that suits you better. That's the beauty of the internet and open source.
You can always find something that suits you or make your own :)
Kind regards,
Mahomed
-----Original Message-----
From: users [mailto:users-bounces@xwiki.org] On Behalf Of Pascal BASTIEN
Sent: 22 April 2015 22:23
To: XWiki Users; Maciej Fokt
Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Clear them all! :p
Hello,I'm sorry, I'm not agree with you : a powerfull system must hide the
systems complexity... And it is a wiki : it's mean if there aren't enough
simple documentation then anybody (high ueser AND "normal people" with non
computer vision) must write a page to contribute and make more available
for "simple" user. :-)
IMO we can use a simple xwiki and/or use higher level xwiki and/or a
customized one. :-)
Pascal B.
De : Mahomed Hussein <Mahomed(a)CustodianDC.com>
À : Maciej Fokt <maciek.fokt(a)taxi123.pl>pl>; XWiki Users <users(a)xwiki.org>
Envoyé le : Mercredi 22 avril 2015 18h37
Objet : Re: [xwiki-users] Clear them all! :p
That's just the way technology is. The more powerful a system is, and the
more options it has, then the more "technical" it is. If you want something
that's easy for "no computer" people then I'm afraid you need to use
something which has less features and power. A jumbo jet pilot needs to
have more experience and knowledge than a Cessna pilot. The jumbo jet has
more buttons and features and probably cannot be easily or ever flown by a
Cessna pilot. That's just the way things are.
XWiki actually has VERY good documentation (some of the best I've seen,
and I've seen a lot of systems). It also has a helpful mailing list.
Unfortunately it's not XWiki' s fault if you can't understand the
documentation or the help that you have been offered several times here.
I genuinely hope you manage to find a system that you like and works for
you.
Kind regards,
Mahomed
-----Original Message-----
From: Maciej Fokt [mailto:maciek.fokt@taxi123.pl]
Sent: 22 April 2015 17:27
To: XWiki Users; Mahomed Hussein
Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Clear them all! :p
No way... I have back to the 1.1 version and now i haven't settings...
Why XWiki (good, big and helpful toll) can be so hard for "no computer"
people...
Thanks all for help, but XWiki is too hard for me, I think.
W dniu .04.2015 o 18:00 Mahomed Hussein <Mahomed(a)custodiandc.com> pisze:
He has a problem with his install and I believe
he wants to "reset" the
system so it will be the same as when he installed it for the first
time. I don't think this is possible without uninstalling, then
searching and deleting all files/folders related and then installing
from the beginning.
Kind regards,
-----Original Message-----
From: users [mailto:users-bounces@xwiki.org] On Behalf Of Ecaterina
Moraru (Valica)
Sent: 22 April 2015 16:30
To: XWiki Users
Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Clear them all! :p
I guess you could revert the WebPreferences history to version 1.1.
For example, in the Administration you have this URL:
- "xwiki/bin/admin/XWiki/XWikiPreferences"
You could do:
- "xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/XWikiPreferences?viewer=history"
and then on the version 1.1 use "Rollback".
Not sure if this is what you meant.
Thanks,
Caty
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Maciej Fokt <maciek.fokt(a)taxi123.pl>
wrote:
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_______________________________________________
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http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
_______________________________________________
users mailing list
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http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Hello,
Is there option to return to the first contain and settings? I mean, I
want to clear everything. I would like to back to the settings after
installation.
Greetings,
Maciek.
_______________________________________________
users mailing list
users(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
_______________________________________________
users mailing list
users(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
_______________________________________________
users mailing list
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http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users 
12:25 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] Clear them all! :p
Hi,
See below.
On 23 Apr 2015 at 11:57:02, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
(valicac@gmail.com(mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
Hi,
First of all I'd like to thank Mahomed for the nice words he said about
XWiki.
I agree that we must try to make XWiki as simple as it can be for the
end-users and, as Pascal said, one solution for this is to improve the
documentation.
I personally find that improving the document is just a stop gap solution. Making it
easier to use XWiki without documentation would be even better ;)
For example in the use case at hand here, offering a way in the Admin to reinitialize the
wiki completely would a cleaner solution than to document how to manually rollback some
special pages.
Of course we can (and should) do both since it’s faster to improve the documentation than
to add new features/hide complexity/etc.
I agree with Caty that I’m not sure what we are talking about here.
It would be interesting for Maciek to tell us what specific area of XWiki should be
improved according to him.
Thanks
-Vincent
The problem is that I'm not sure I completely
understood what problem
Maciek has (in order to improve it).
Thanks,
Caty
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Mahomed Hussein
wrote:
I'm sure we can debate this all day.
XWiki is very simple for end users to use. The actual purpose of the wiki
(to allow people to create/edit/view articles/pages) is simple and
straight-forward. I have everyone in our organisation using it
successfully, and trust me, some of the end users should not be allowed
near computers. But they managed to use the system for its purpose just
fine. That doesn't mean that they can all install, configure, update and
customise XWiki.
I'll give you another analogy. XWiki is like a fine car. Cars are easy to
use and drive by almost anyone. But that doesn't mean everyone can fix a
car. Even if you know a little bit about how engines work and how to change
the oil etc. Some jobs just have to be left to the professionals. XWiki is
the same. Everyone can use it very easily. But when it comes to the
advanced stuff, if you can't understand the excellent documentation, and no
one can help you on the mailing list then the problem is not with XWiki.
I consider myself a very competent engineer and developer, but there are
some things that even I find quite advanced in XWiki. That goes to show how
powerful it is (and what a great job the developers have done).
Anyway I don’t think this is too constructive for the mailing list so I
will stop here. You are entitled to your opinion and I am to mine (I think
XWiki is great). If you don't like XWiki then I hope you find something
that suits you better. That's the beauty of the internet and open source.
You can always find something that suits you or make your own :)
Kind regards,
Mahomed
-----Original Message-----
From: users [mailto:users-bounces@xwiki.org] On Behalf Of Pascal BASTIEN
Sent: 22 April 2015 22:23
To: XWiki Users; Maciej Fokt
Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Clear them all! :p
Hello,I'm sorry, I'm not agree with you : a powerfull system must hide the
systems complexity... And it is a wiki : it's mean if there aren't enough
simple documentation then anybody (high ueser AND "normal people" with non
computer vision) must write a page to contribute and make more available
for "simple" user. :-)
IMO we can use a simple xwiki and/or use higher level xwiki and/or a
customized one. :-)
Pascal B.
De : Mahomed Hussein
À : Maciej Fokt ; XWiki Users
Envoyé le : Mercredi 22 avril 2015 18h37
Objet : Re: [xwiki-users] Clear them all! :p
That's just the way technology is. The more powerful a system is, and the
more options it has, then the more "technical" it is. If you want something
that's easy for "no computer" people then I'm afraid you need to use
something which has less features and power. A jumbo jet pilot needs to
have more experience and knowledge than a Cessna pilot. The jumbo jet has
more buttons and features and probably cannot be easily or ever flown by a
Cessna pilot. That's just the way things are.
XWiki actually has VERY good documentation (some of the best I've seen,
and I've seen a lot of systems). It also has a helpful mailing list.
Unfortunately it's not XWiki' s fault if you can't understand the
documentation or the help that you have been offered several times here.
I genuinely hope you manage to find a system that you like and works for
you.
Kind regards,
Mahomed
-----Original Message-----
From: Maciej Fokt [mailto:maciek.fokt@taxi123.pl]
Sent: 22 April 2015 17:27
To: XWiki Users; Mahomed Hussein
Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Clear them all! :p
No way... I have back to the 1.1 version and now i haven't settings...
Why XWiki (good, big and helpful toll) can be so hard for "no computer"
people...
Thanks all for help, but XWiki is too hard for me, I think.
W dniu .04.2015 o 18:00 Mahomed Hussein pisze:
_______________________________________________
users mailing list
users(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users He has a problem with his install and I believe
he wants to "reset" the
system so it will be the same as when he installed it for the first
time. I don't think this is possible without uninstalling, then
searching and deleting all files/folders related and then installing
from the beginning.
Kind regards,
-----Original Message-----
From: users [mailto:users-bounces@xwiki.org] On Behalf Of Ecaterina
Moraru (Valica)
Sent: 22 April 2015 16:30
To: XWiki Users
Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Clear them all! :p
I guess you could revert the WebPreferences history to version 1.1.
For example, in the Administration you have this URL:
- "xwiki/bin/admin/XWiki/XWikiPreferences"
You could do:
- "xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/XWikiPreferences?viewer=history"
and then on the version 1.1 use "Rollback".
Not sure if this is what you meant.
Thanks,
Caty
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Maciej Fokt
wrote:
_______________________________________________
users mailing list
users(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
_______________________________________________
users mailing list
users(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
_______________________________________________
users mailing list
users(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Hello,
Is there option to return to the first contain and settings? I mean, I
want to clear everything. I would like to back to the settings after
installation.
Greetings,
Maciek.
_______________________________________________
users mailing list
users(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
_______________________________________________
users mailing list
users(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
_______________________________________________
users mailing list
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http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users 
24 Apr
24 Apr
11:51 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] Clear them all! :p
Hello,
Ok... I rolled back my wiki to 1.1 version and now... I can't administrate
XWiki. I haven't options to change something. It's what I said ("XWiki is
difficult for no computer users"). Deleting or rollback is easy but
restore last settings is quite hard. I've lost half of spaces while I've
been trying to make a backup. Now i can't import this back up files... I
have nothing ;)
Please don't compare me with XWiki rebel :p XWiki is a great tool but you
know...
Greetings,
Maciek.
27 Apr
27 Apr
11:07 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] Clear them all! :p
Hi Maciek,
My impression is that you dived directly into XWiki without first
understanding the idea behind it. That is OK, as long as you accept your
choice.
Right now we don`t have a wiki version, so you can not say "I rolled back
my wiki to 1.1 version". What you actually did was to rollback a couple of
pages (you decided which).
In XWiki, a page can contain actual content and/or objects (which could
also store "settings" for some applications or XWiki itself). The main page
for XWiki settings is "XWiki.XWikiPreferences", as Caty already mentioned.
If you want to restore/rollback settings, you need to do it for the
applications you are interested in, but it's your choice. There is no
"restore everything to initial settings" magic button.
XWiki can not protect you from yourself. If you randomly press delete
buttons and confirm without looking, your data will be lost.
If you can not "administrate XWiki" right now, it sounds like you have
badly edited/deleted the rights objects inside the XWiki.XWikiPreferences
page. One solution for you would be to enable the "superadmin" backup user,
log in with it and go to administration and fix the rights. You can find
details how to enable this user in the AdminGuide [1].
Also, as a general suggestion, please try to spend a respectful amount of
time when formulating your question and do not assume people can read your
mind and know what it is that you are talking about. As a good exercise,
put yourself in the shoes of a person reading your email, with no previous
knowledge, and try to understand what you wrote and determine if it makes
sense of if it contradicts itself.
Of course, suggestions for improvements are more than welcomed. Without
these suggestions, we do whatever we consider is best at the time and
whatever we can do with our limited resources.
Thanks,
Eduard
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[1]
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Configuration#HEnablesu…
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Maciej Fokt <maciek.fokt(a)taxi123.pl>
wrote:
Hello,
Ok... I rolled back my wiki to 1.1 version and now... I can't administrate
XWiki. I haven't options to change something. It's what I said ("XWiki is
difficult for no computer users"). Deleting or rollback is easy but restore
last settings is quite hard. I've lost half of spaces while I've been
trying to make a backup. Now i can't import this back up files... I have
nothing ;)
Please don't compare me with XWiki rebel :p XWiki is a great tool but you
know...
Greetings,
Maciek.
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11:44 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] Clear them all! :p
Ok ;) but now all my troubles aren't important. I reinstalled XWiki :) It
was a good choice. All bugs disappeared.
Big thanks for all of you for help!
Regards,
Maciek.
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