4 Jun
2010
4 Jun
'10
6:54 p.m.
Hi,
Take a look at Rights 5
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights5Space
Added:
* information regarding the advanced rights (inherits, overrides)
* icons built together as a whole
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/i…
* representation of "advanced rights" with the same abstract icon, but with
different color (no text; we can debate this)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/c…
* inheritance arrow married with +/-
IMGs (in case of browser problem)
- collapsed:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/r…
- expanded:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/r…
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:42, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
> I think that the collapsed view missed an
additional icon that summarize
This
sure,
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal#H…
Sorry to insist, but the information regarding the advanced rights is still
missing in collapsed mode.
I really would like to have a indicator that some advanced rights has been
set locally or not without having to go advanced mode. Else, you will have
to expand all rows to check that information, which is not practical.
inherited
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal#H…
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights43Propos…
> > I also
think that the +/- (which is never grayed) could be
> > nearer to the right icon. Maybe you could use a green V and a read
"stop"
> > in
> > place of +/- ?
>
> The other mockup versions (like
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights41Space)
> used
> v/x for the allow/deny representation, and yes, I agree that they are
more
> > > Regarding
the collapsed view, I see three possibilities to investigate
> for
> > allowing edition while improving readability (note that readability has
> the
> > same issue in expanded view, but it seems to be less annoying) :
> > > 1) use V3, but when hovering a row,
use V2 on that row and allow
> drag/drop
> > (keeping V2 until drop even is hover is temporary lost). Not sure this
> will
> > be nice in practice ? see 2)
> > > 2) use a presentation in 4 columns,
for both collapsed and expanded
view,
summary,
really
keeping
inheritance arrow + "right" - to describe "right" as inherited
allowed
inheritance arrow - "right" - to describe "right" as inherited
denied
+ "right" - to describe "right" allowed
- "right" - to describe "right" denied
yes - we could do that if we decide to use the textual variant.
> > > Another thing we need to consider for
this proposal is how the filtering
> is
> > gonna be made.
>
> Good point. Here is some proposal for each column:
> 1) a dropdown list proposing local
(default), global or both ?
I would prefer rights separation depending on the location:
- if you want to see global rights - go to global;
- if you want to see wiki rights - go to wiki,
etc.
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Proposal#HN…
Why would you like to see both local and global? (filtering?) I think it
will be easier for the user if they are separated.
2) a textbox which filter on names
For advanced users would be nice to have queries, like "allow view" AND
"inherit deny delete" :)
> 3) a dropdown list proposing all (default), hide inherited only, and maybe
> the list of rights, showing only rows where the selected right is set
> locally ?
The dropdown with the list of rights (view, edit, etc.) could also have
another dropdown next to it to set the state of the right (inherited,
allowed, denied)
Thanks,
Caty
Hi Caty,
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 18:09, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
yes, on hover show the tooltip, on click show the menu.
Hi Denis,
I want to thank you again for all the help you are giving :P
This is pleasure to participate especially because you provide really good
proposals.
I would also like to see others participating, currently the discussion is
becoming to much bilateral IMO.
Please take a look at a proposal for "V3 and my 3)" version with elements
from Rights2 :)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal
Really nice job ! I really appreciate.
The prototype is not reflecting the
"desired" interaction: both inherited
info and rights change appear on hover (right icon and arrow), instead of
hover | click.
I am not sure what are really your intend. I think that the big tooltips
describing the rights should be the only tooltips, and should be show on
hover only after a small timeout (like the yellow one currently). Clicking
any where on the +/- icon or v would then open the menu.
Is it what you try ?
That "v" needs to be an arrow like the one we use in the action menus.
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 19:06, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
may
Caty,
Really nice and interesting post, I will try to reach that level... but
without visual :\
I really think that using the collapsed view for editing would helps
basic
> users to have a simplified and more easy interface to understand. We even
imagine that only "advanced user" (those marked so in their
profile),
> has access to the expanded view.
the
rights that are not shown. This one would only be shown if there is any
non-defaulted additional right in action.
This is a signal that extended
rights are in use (See it like the grey box of
Windows when special
rights
> are setup, which is inviting to go into advanced view to know more). one would
be obviously not editable, and should probably work like the
...
> or replace it ? In place of the ... . Concerning the ..., I am not but
I would also prefer to see a textual link "advanced" in small font, and
only
visible when row is hovered.
Order of right are not significant, so I would
prefer that in all view,
these where in the same order, with the basic right first (V/C/E/D/A/P)
and
the additional right in their order of
registration (hope that it will
stay
> constant... or we will have to find a way to keep them ordered).
> The "right" part of each icon should be grayed if the right is and
not grayed if the right is set locally, this improve the information
provided in V3.
The problem with this icons (taken from Silk) is that there is little
difference for View, Comment, Admin icons between the two states
(inherited,
locally set) - but this is something we can easily improve (by changing
the
icons and looking for some more contrast).
Example: This is how they look when all rights are set locally (full
color)
suited than +/-.
The problem is that we are using in XWiki, X to represent delete, so
having
two xX was too much, that's why I introduced
+/-. Maybe we can find
another
solution.
I think we need some polishing on the icons used. Building them
specifically
would be nice, but I do not know if you or anyone want to have a try at
that. My feeling is that the couple +/- or better v/x and the right icon
should be built together and closer to each other providing the information
as a whole and not giving the impression of two part. Using a v for
suggesting the menu is nice, could be even improved by styling some "button
like" borders on hover.
All menus could also be improved by using the inheritance arrow married
with
+/- (or v/x) to show immediately what will be the right if inheritance is
used.
the first
column behing a read-only summary like V3, and the 3 column
being
> an ordered V1. However, dragging from summary would be allowed. The 3
> detailed column could be shown only when a drag is started from or
> with a global horizontal expansion button... Basic user would have
access
> to
> this, but not necessarily to vertical row expansion. Not sure this is
not
an
increase in complexity ? so, see 3)
3) use V3, and a similar interface to what we have in current right
management interface. Since saved are postponed (not like we have
currently), using this one may be both practical and could helps the
transition for existing user as well. With all the belts and whistle
added
> to clearly state changes and inheritance, this will be similar but better
than what we have.
If we go for V3 and my 3) proposal, I also wonder if the current table
header is well done. I do not like it when nothing is expanded since it
is
confusing, too large, and not significant. It
will be even more
unexpected
if you follow me on the "advance user"
case, when a basic user look at
it.
> Maybe you could try a changing header, only expanding when there is
> expanded
> row, or, you could move the expanded header in each expanded row, a
icons,
simplified header at the top.
WDYT ?
Denis
Other problem that this proposal has is the representation of "advanced
rights". If we don't like the textual description and we want to add IMO we have two solutions:
A) use the same abstract icon, but with different color, ex. a key or
lock
icon with color representation ("blue"
for "programming", "green" for
"captchaComment", etc)
- the problem here is for the people that have some kind color blindness
and
will not distinguish between some color tones (this is the case when we
gonna have lots of "advanced" | non default rights)
B) use the same abstract icon and with an order index (like numbers 1, 2,
etc or characters A, B, etc)
These representations are based on the fact that "advanced rights" will
be
added by other developers and the icon will not
be custom made for a
specif
right.
Why not just use the big Icons from the menu (using the inheritance arrow
married with +/- as proposed above), and directly followed by the v arrow.
All this in front of the text ?
Using a generic icon will not improve information and detailed view of
advanced right in collapsed mode is not expected.
It is not clearly shown on your samples, how multiple advance right would
be
shown. I think one per row is nice, or if you want to limit space, 2 or 3
at
most, shown in columns ?
this depends on which version (textual, icons) we choose for the advanced
rights (I would prefer something linear)
I also wonder is this would help or not to also
extends basic rights in
advanced mode, showing the icons and the text ?
I think this would only add duplicates and mess a bit the meaning of
"advanced" by combining them with "regular".
4 Jun
4 Jun
7:57 p.m.
Hi Caty,
This version is really cool, just some minor comments:
When I mouse over some right icon (FF 3.6), the dropdown menu with
allow/deny/etc. is shown, but this menu is very hard to see, because it
has almost the same color as the background and the icons are right
above the right icons from the line below.
The popup with the hint what right it is and why it is inherited is
really helpful, but to open it I need to hit the small triangle near to
the icon, otherwise only the dropdown menu is shown (but maybe its just
because it is not the final version). This might be quite hard for some
people.
I'd made the icons larger (at least 24x24) and add more contrast (right
now inherited rights look like disabled GUI controls to me), especially
to the dropdown menu, view right icon and inherited right arrow from the
menu.
Alex
On 06/04/2010 06:54 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:
Hi,
Take a look at Rights 5
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights5Space
Added:
* information regarding the advanced rights (inherits, overrides)
* icons built together as a whole
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/i…
* representation of "advanced rights" with the same abstract icon, but with
different color (no text; we can debate this)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/c…
* inheritance arrow married with +/-
IMGs (in case of browser problem)
- collapsed:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/r…
- expanded:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/r…
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:42, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
<snip>
Hi Caty,
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 18:09, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
yes, on hover show the tooltip, on click show the menu.
Hi Denis,
I want to thank you again for all the help you are giving :P
This is pleasure to participate especially because you provide really good
proposals.
I would also like to see others participating, currently the discussion is
becoming to much bilateral IMO.
Please take a look at a proposal for "V3 and my 3)" version with elements
from Rights2 :)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal
Really nice job ! I really appreciate.
The prototype is not reflecting the
"desired" interaction: both inherited
info and rights change appear on hover (right icon and arrow), instead of
hover | click.
I am not sure what are really your intend. I think that the big tooltips
describing the rights should be the only tooltips, and should be show on
hover only after a small timeout (like the yellow one currently). Clicking
any where on the +/- icon or v would then open the menu.
Is it what you try ?
8:23 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Rights Management UI
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 20:57, Alex Busenius <alex.busenius(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi Caty,
This version is really cool, just some minor comments:
When I mouse over some right icon (FF 3.6), the dropdown menu with
allow/deny/etc. is shown, but this menu is very hard to see, because it
has almost the same color as the background and the icons are right
above the right icons from the line below.
The popup with the hint what right it is and why it is inherited is
really helpful, but to open it I need to hit the small triangle near to
the icon, otherwise only the dropdown menu is shown (but maybe its just
because it is not the final version). This might be quite hard for some
people.
Hi Alex,
yes I know - I reused existing classes from XWiki, didn't made anything
custom, that's why is acting like this.
The "desired" interaction will be on hover (icon or arrow) show the
inheritance tooltip, on click show the menu.
I'd made the icons larger (at least 24x24) and add more contrast (right
now inherited rights look like disabled GUI controls to me), especially
to the dropdown menu, view right icon and inherited right arrow from the
menu.
The main disadvantage of this proposal is it's contrast: ColorThemes
variables (highlightColor, secondaryBackgroundColor) and icons.
I choose the icons form Silk set, because they are used everywhere in XWiki.
The rationale was the consistency and look&feel. That's why they all are
16x16.
If we choose this version as the final one, but we are not pleased with
these icons, we need to find another set (maybe as you suggested with 24x24
size) or create it from scratch (then we need to think about the icon
representation).
The new set should have high contrast between inherited/overridden state.
Thanks Alex :)
Caty
Alex
On 06/04/2010 06:54 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:
<snip>
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Hi,
Take a look at Rights 5
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights5Space
Added:
* information regarding the advanced rights (inherits, overrides)
* icons built together as a whole
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/i…
* representation of "advanced rights"
with the same abstract icon, but
with
different color (no text; we can debate this)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/c…
* inheritance arrow married with +/-
IMGs (in case of browser problem)
- collapsed:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/r…
- expanded:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/r…
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:42, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
> Hi Caty,
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 18:09, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> Hi Denis,
>>
>> I want to thank you again for all the help you are giving :P
>>
>
> This is pleasure to participate especially because you provide really
good
> proposals.
> I would also like to see others participating, currently the discussion
is
> becoming to much bilateral IMO.
>
>
>>
>> Please take a look at a proposal for "V3 and my 3)" version with
elements
>> from Rights2 :)
>>
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal
>> and in "action"
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Space
>
>
> Really nice job ! I really appreciate.
>
>
>> The prototype is not reflecting the "desired" interaction: both
inherited
>> info and rights change appear on hover
(right icon and arrow), instead
of
>> hover | click.
>>
>
> I am not sure what are really your intend. I think that the big tooltips
> describing the rights should be the only tooltips, and should be show on
> hover only after a small timeout (like the yellow one currently).
Clicking
any where
on the +/- icon or v would then open the menu.
Is it what you try ?
yes, on hover show the tooltip, on click show the menu.
8:33 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Rights Management UI
Hello all,
I really like the last proposal, Caty :)
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Alex Busenius <alex.busenius(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi Caty,
This version is really cool, just some minor comments:
When I mouse over some right icon (FF 3.6), the dropdown menu with
allow/deny/etc. is shown, but this menu is very hard to see, because it
has almost the same color as the background and the icons are right
above the right icons from the line below.
The popup with the hint what right it is and why it is inherited is
really helpful, but to open it I need to hit the small triangle near to
the icon, otherwise only the dropdown menu is shown (but maybe its just
because it is not the final version). This might be quite hard for some
people.
I'd made the icons larger (at least 24x24) and add more contrast (right
now inherited rights look like disabled GUI controls to me), especially
to the dropdown menu, view right icon and inherited right arrow from the
menu.
I think that the tooltip can be added on mouse click. This would imply
adding a nice question mark instead of that small arrow, and the user
would click anywhere on the span with the class name "summary". And
another improvement would be to add more padding to the drop down
menus. Caty is currently using the secondary background color, right?
Maybe we should use the highlight color, but I'm not sure of that.
Raluca.
Alex
On 06/04/2010 06:54 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:
Hi,
Take a look at Rights 5
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights5Space
Added:
* information regarding the advanced rights (inherits, overrides)
* icons built together as a whole
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/i…
* representation of "advanced rights" with the same abstract icon, but with
different color (no text; we can debate this)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/c…
* inheritance arrow married with +/-
IMGs (in case of browser problem)
- collapsed:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/r…
- expanded:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/r…
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:42, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
<snip>
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Hi Caty,
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 18:09, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
yes, on hover show the tooltip, on click show the menu.
Hi Denis,
I want to thank you again for all the help you are giving :P
This is pleasure to participate especially because you provide really good
proposals.
I would also like to see others participating, currently the discussion is
becoming to much bilateral IMO.
Please take a look at a proposal for "V3 and my 3)" version with elements
from Rights2 :)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal
Really nice job ! I really appreciate.
The prototype is not reflecting the
"desired" interaction: both inherited
info and rights change appear on hover (right icon and arrow), instead of
hover | click.
I am not sure what are really your intend. I think that the big tooltips
describing the rights should be the only tooltips, and should be show on
hover only after a small timeout (like the yellow one currently). Clicking
any where on the +/- icon or v would then open the menu.
Is it what you try ?
8:36 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Rights Management UI
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 20:57, Alex Busenius
<alex.busenius(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
If so, I think that the tooltip will be kind of annoying. But we
should first see it in action, maybe I'll find some time to work on
this.
Raluca.
Hi Caty,
This version is really cool, just some minor comments:
When I mouse over some right icon (FF 3.6), the dropdown menu with
allow/deny/etc. is shown, but this menu is very hard to see, because it
has almost the same color as the background and the icons are right
above the right icons from the line below.
The popup with the hint what right it is and why it is inherited is
really helpful, but to open it I need to hit the small triangle near to
the icon, otherwise only the dropdown menu is shown (but maybe its just
because it is not the final version). This might be quite hard for some
people.
Hi Alex,
yes I know - I reused existing classes from XWiki, didn't made anything
custom, that's why is acting like this.
The "desired" interaction will be on hover (icon or arrow) show the
inheritance tooltip, on click show the menu.
I'd made the icons larger (at least 24x24) and add more contrast (right
now inherited rights look like disabled GUI controls to me), especially
to the dropdown menu, view right icon and inherited right arrow from the
menu.
The main disadvantage of this proposal is it's contrast: ColorThemes
variables (highlightColor, secondaryBackgroundColor) and icons.
I choose the icons form Silk set, because they are used everywhere in XWiki.
The rationale was the consistency and look&feel. That's why they all are
16x16.
If we choose this version as the final one, but we are not pleased with
these icons, we need to find another set (maybe as you suggested with 24x24
size) or create it from scratch (then we need to think about the icon
representation).
The new set should have high contrast between inherited/overridden state.
Thanks Alex :)
Caty
Alex
On 06/04/2010 06:54 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:
<snip>
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Hi,
Take a look at Rights 5
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights5Space
Added:
* information regarding the advanced rights (inherits, overrides)
* icons built together as a whole
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/i…
* representation of "advanced rights"
with the same abstract icon, but
with
different color (no text; we can debate this)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/c…
* inheritance arrow married with +/-
IMGs (in case of browser problem)
- collapsed:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/r…
- expanded:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/r…
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:42, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
> Hi Caty,
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 18:09, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> Hi Denis,
>>
>> I want to thank you again for all the help you are giving :P
>>
>
> This is pleasure to participate especially because you provide really
good
> proposals.
> I would also like to see others participating, currently the discussion
is
> becoming to much bilateral IMO.
>
>
>>
>> Please take a look at a proposal for "V3 and my 3)" version with
elements
>> from Rights2 :)
>>
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal
>> and in "action"
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Space
>
>
> Really nice job ! I really appreciate.
>
>
>> The prototype is not reflecting the "desired" interaction: both
inherited
>> info and rights change appear on hover
(right icon and arrow), instead
of
>> hover | click.
>>
>
> I am not sure what are really your intend. I think that the big tooltips
> describing the rights should be the only tooltips, and should be show on
> hover only after a small timeout (like the yellow one currently).
Clicking
any where
on the +/- icon or v would then open the menu.
Is it what you try ?
yes, on hover show the tooltip, on click show the menu.
9:05 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-users] [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Rights Management UI
Hi Caty,
On 06/04/2010 08:23 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:
I see, this complicates things, but I would really prefer larger icons,
lets see what others say...
How about adding a dark border to the dropdown menu or changing its
color to the same one used for "Export" menu etc.? If the icons are not
transparent (in the middle), this would also improve the contrast a lot.
Alex
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 20:57, Alex Busenius
<alex.busenius(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Ok, that will be indeed much better.
Hi Caty,
This version is really cool, just some minor comments:
When I mouse over some right icon (FF 3.6), the dropdown menu with
allow/deny/etc. is shown, but this menu is very hard to see, because it
has almost the same color as the background and the icons are right
above the right icons from the line below.
The popup with the hint what right it is and why it is inherited is
really helpful, but to open it I need to hit the small triangle near to
the icon, otherwise only the dropdown menu is shown (but maybe its just
because it is not the final version). This might be quite hard for some
people.
Hi Alex,
yes I know - I reused existing classes from XWiki, didn't made anything
custom, that's why is acting like this.
The "desired" interaction will be on hover (icon or arrow) show the
inheritance tooltip, on click show the menu.
I'd made the icons larger (at least 24x24) and add more contrast (right
now inherited rights look like disabled GUI controls to me), especially
to the dropdown menu, view right icon and inherited right arrow from the
menu.
The main disadvantage of this proposal is it's contrast: ColorThemes
variables (highlightColor, secondaryBackgroundColor) and icons.
I choose the icons form Silk set, because they are used everywhere in XWiki.
The rationale was the consistency and look&feel. That's why they all are
16x16.
If we choose this version as the final one, but we are not pleased with
these icons, we need to find another set (maybe as you suggested with 24x24
size) or create it from scratch (then we need to think about the icon
representation).
The new set should have high contrast between inherited/overridden state.
Thanks Alex :)
Caty
Alex
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Hi,
Take a look at Rights 5
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights5Space
Added:
* information regarding the advanced rights (inherits, overrides)
* icons built together as a whole
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/i…
* representation of "advanced rights"
with the same abstract icon, but
with
different color (no text; we can debate this)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/c…
* inheritance arrow married with +/-
IMGs (in case of browser problem)
- collapsed:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/r…
- expanded:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/r…
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:42, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
> Hi Caty,
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 18:09, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> Hi Denis,
>>
>> I want to thank you again for all the help you are giving :P
>>
>
> This is pleasure to participate especially because you provide really
good
> proposals.
> I would also like to see others participating, currently the discussion
is
> becoming to much bilateral IMO.
>
>
>>
>> Please take a look at a proposal for "V3 and my 3)" version with
elements
>> from Rights2 :)
>>
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal
>> and in "action"
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Space
>
>
> Really nice job ! I really appreciate.
>
>
>> The prototype is not reflecting the "desired" interaction: both
inherited
>> info and rights change appear on hover
(right icon and arrow), instead
of
>> hover | click.
>>
>
> I am not sure what are really your intend. I think that the big tooltips
> describing the rights should be the only tooltips, and should be show on
> hover only after a small timeout (like the yellow one currently).
Clicking
any where
on the +/- icon or v would then open the menu.
Is it what you try ?
yes, on hover show the tooltip, on click show the menu.
5 Jun
5 Jun
12:53 a.m.
Hi Caty,
I am glad to see that others are looking at what we do, and it is good time
for them to comment now, since I will not have many more comments now :) I
have replied to some of your comment below...
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 18:54, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
may
summarize
> > the
> > rights that are not shown. This one would only be shown if there is any
This
> > one would be obviously not editable, and should probably work like the
and
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal#H…
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal#H…
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights43Propos…
)
information
summary,
really
> > better than what we have.
> >
> > If we go for V3 and my 3) proposal, I also wonder if the current table
blindness
arrow.
Personally I would prefer the text variant. If not, I do not see the point
to expand vertically, just put all on a single row.
I do not agree, I see basic as an horizontal presentation and advance to be
a vertical more detailed variant. Maybe the inheritance information from the
tootips could be put in a second column when displaying advanced mode.
No, I would just remove the basic view in favor of a advance one, so there
is no duplication, just a more detailed view of the same information.
> Good point. Here is some proposal for each column:
>
> 1) a dropdown list proposing local (default), global or both ?
>
I would prefer rights separation depending on the location:
- if you want to see global rights - go to global;
- if you want to see wiki rights - go to wiki,
etc.
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Proposal#HN…
Why would you like to see both local and global? (filtering?) I think it
will be easier for the user if they are separated.
This is not global in term of right, it is about showing local user/group or
global user/group. In a farm, the user xwiki:XWiki.Admin may receive special
right on mywiki:MySpace.MyPage. So, the filtering would be to filter which
user are shown. This is exactly what the current interface do. Hiding global
user by default is done so because knowing about global user is an advanced
usage that basic users ignore.
So, once again, this has nothing to do with the inheritance of rigths, but
about the origin of the user. And the first column is about user/group, so
it coud fit that need.
Why not, this should be tried to see what it provide. I am not sure this
will be used often, since rights regarding a given level are usually not so
complex that you are unable to read them all. I have seen interesting to
hide inherited only rows, because these are not show currently in the
interface, and this could be useful to revert to current view, especially
for user that has already used this interface.
I hope this is clearer. I really hope that we will now receive more
feedback... and that we will be able to implement this in the near future on
top of the new implementation of the right service from Andreas.
Anyway,congratulation for this great piece of work.
Denis
Hi,
Take a look at Rights 5
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights5Space
Added:
* information regarding the advanced rights (inherits, overrides)
* icons built together as a whole
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/i…
* representation of "advanced rights" with the same abstract icon, but with
different color (no text; we can debate this)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/c…
* inheritance arrow married with +/-
IMGs (in case of browser problem)
- collapsed:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/r…
- expanded:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/r…
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:42, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
good
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal
Clicking
This is perfect, but you should include a little timeout for the tooltips,
or it will be too much invasive.
Hi Caty,
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 18:09, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Denis,
I want to thank you again for all the help you are giving :P
This is pleasure to participate especially because you provide really proposals.
I would also like to see others participating, currently the discussion
is
becoming to much bilateral IMO.
>
> Please take a look at a proposal for "V3 and my 3)" version with
elements
from
Rights2 :)
Really nice job ! I really appreciate.
> The prototype is not reflecting the "desired" interaction: both
inherited
> info and rights change appear on hover
(right icon and arrow), instead
of
hover |
click.
I am not sure what are really your intend. I think that the big tooltips
describing the rights should be the only tooltips, and should be show on
hover only after a small timeout (like the yellow one currently). any where on the +/- icon or v would then open
the menu.
Is it what you try ?
yes, on hover show the tooltip, on click show the menu. From the reaction of Alex and Raluca, I really hope you
will be able to
implement the correct interaction in your samples, since this seems
to cause
a lot of confusion. If you can't, let me know, I will try to find some time
to have a look at it.
>
> That "v" needs to be an arrow like the one we use in the action menus.
>
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 19:06, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
>
> > Caty,
> >
> > Really nice and interesting post, I will try to reach that level...
but
without visual :\
I really think that using the collapsed view for editing would helps
basic
> users to have a simplified and more easy interface to understand. We even
imagine that only "advanced user" (those marked so in their
profile),
> has access to the expanded view.
>
> I think that the collapsed view missed an additional icon that non-defaulted additional right in action.
This is a signal that extended
rights are in use (See it like the grey box of
Windows when special
rights
> are setup, which is inviting to go into advanced view to know more). ...
> or replace it ? In place of the ... . Concerning the ..., I am not
sure,
> > but
> > I would also prefer to see a textual link "advanced" in small font,
only
visible when row is hovered.
Sorry to insist, but the information regarding the advanced rights is
still
missing in collapsed mode.
I really would like to have a indicator that some advanced rights has
been
set locally or not without having to go advanced
mode. Else, you will
have
to expand all rows to check that information,
which is not practical.
>
>
> > Order of right are not significant, so I would prefer that in all
view,
> > these where in the same order, with the
basic right first
(V/C/E/D/A/P)
> and
> > the additional right in their order of registration (hope that it
will
stay
> constant... or we will have to find a way to keep them ordered).
> The "right" part of each icon should be grayed if the right is
inherited
and
not grayed if the right is set locally, this improve the information
provided in V3.
The problem with this icons (taken from Silk) is that there is little
difference for View, Comment, Admin icons between the two states
(inherited,
locally set) - but this is something we can easily improve (by changing
the
icons and looking for some more contrast).
Example: This is how they look when all rights are set locally (full
color)
> I also think that the +/- (which is never grayed) could be
> nearer to the right icon. Maybe you could use a green V and a read
"stop"
> > in
> > place of +/- ?
> >
>
> The other mockup versions (like
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights41Space used
v/x for the allow/deny representation, and yes, I agree that they are
more
suited than +/-.
The problem is that we are using in XWiki, X to represent delete, so
having
two xX was too much, that's why I introduced
+/-. Maybe we can find
another
solution.
I think we need some polishing on the icons used. Building them
specifically
would be nice, but I do not know if you or anyone want to have a try at
that. My feeling is that the couple +/- or better v/x and the right icon
should be built together and closer to each other providing the as a whole and not giving the impression of two
part. Using a v for
suggesting the menu is nice, could be even improved by styling some
"button
like" borders on hover.
All menus could also be improved by using the inheritance arrow married
with
+/- (or v/x) to show immediately what will be the right if inheritance is
used.
>
>
> >
> > Regarding the collapsed view, I see three possibilities to
investigate
> for
> > allowing edition while improving readability (note that readability
has
> the
> > same issue in expanded view, but it seems to be less annoying) :
> >
> > 1) use V3, but when hovering a row, use V2 on that row and allow
> drag/drop
> > (keeping V2 until drop even is hover is temporary lost). Not sure
this
will
> be nice in practice ? see 2)
>
> 2) use a presentation in 4 columns, for both collapsed and expanded
view,
the first
column behing a read-only summary like V3, and the 3 column
being
> an ordered V1. However, dragging from summary would be allowed. The 3
> detailed column could be shown only when a drag is started from or
> with a global horizontal expansion button... Basic user would have
access
> to
> this, but not necessarily to vertical row expansion. Not sure this is
not
an
increase in complexity ? so, see 3)
3) use V3, and a similar interface to what we have in current right
management interface. Since saved are postponed (not like we have
currently), using this one may be both practical and could helps the
transition for existing user as well. With all the belts and whistle
added
> to clearly state changes and inheritance, this will be similar but > > header is well done. I do not like it
when nothing is expanded since
it
> is
> > confusing, too large, and not significant. It will be even more
> unexpected
> > if you follow me on the "advance user" case, when a basic user look
at
it.
> Maybe you could try a changing header, only expanding when there is
> expanded
> row, or, you could move the expanded header in each expanded row,
keeping
a
icons,
simplified header at the top.
WDYT ?
Denis
Other problem that this proposal has is the representation of "advanced
rights". If we don't like the textual description and we want to add IMO we have two solutions:
A) use the same abstract icon, but with different color, ex. a key or
lock
> icon with color representation ("blue" for "programming",
"green" for
> "captchaComment", etc)
> - the problem here is for the people that have some kind color > and
> will not distinguish between some color tones (this is the case when we
> gonna have lots of "advanced" | non default rights)
>
> B) use the same abstract icon and with an order index (like numbers 1,
2,
etc or
characters A, B, etc)
These representations are based on the fact that "advanced rights" will
be
added by other developers and the icon will not
be custom made for a
specif
right.
Why not just use the big Icons from the menu (using the inheritance arrow
married with +/- as proposed above), and directly followed by the v All this in front of the text ?
inheritance arrow + "right" - to describe "right" as inherited
allowed
inheritance arrow - "right" - to describe "right" as inherited
denied
+ "right" - to describe "right" allowed
- "right" - to describe "right" denied
yes - we could do that if we decide to use the textual variant.
Using a generic icon will not improve information and detailed view of
advanced right in collapsed mode is not expected.
It is not clearly shown on your samples, how multiple advance right would
be
shown. I think one per row is nice, or if you want to limit space, 2 or 3
at
most, shown in columns ?
this depends on which version (textual, icons) we choose for the advanced
rights (I would prefer something linear)
I also wonder is this would help or not to also
extends basic rights in
advanced mode, showing the icons and the text ?
I think this would only add duplicates and mess a bit the meaning of
"advanced" by combining them with "regular".
>
> Another thing we need to consider for this proposal is how the
filtering
> is
> > gonna be made.
>
2) a textbox which filter on names
For advanced users would be nice to have queries, like "allow view" AND
"inherit deny delete" :)
I was filtering on user/group name here, since second columns is about
user/group names and does not relate to rights.
3) a dropdown list proposing all (default), hide
inherited only, and
maybe
the list of rights, showing only rows where the
selected right is set
locally ?
The dropdown with the list of rights (view, edit, etc.) could also have
another dropdown next to it to set the state of the right (inherited,
allowed, denied)
Thanks,
Caty
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New subject: [xwiki-users] [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Rights Management UI
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 21:33, Raluca Stavro <raluca.morosan(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
Hello all,
I really like the last proposal, Caty :)
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Alex Busenius <alex.busenius(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
Thanks Raluca. Yes, a better solution is be to increase the padding and also
use $theme.backgroundSecondaryColor (or a darker tone).
The problem is that on default theme, backgroundSecondaryColor is a gray
color and the contrast with the gray icon is not that good.
In terms of interaction I think "hover on tooltip" and "click on
arrow" for
changing the rights is better. The user browse the rights to see the
inheritance and see what those rights means, and when he made up his mind he
clicks and change the right.
There are more cases when the users is just browsing the rights, inspecting
or see rights meaning, than actually change them; so the harder activity
(clicking) should be put on changing the right.
The small arrow is a sign that there is a menu. If the menu will appear on
click, the arrow is necessary to work as an invitation and also to keep the
consistency with actionMenus.
Raluca, do you think we should use bigger icons, like Alex suggested? Maybe
if we put enough padding and we work a bit on the contrast
(backgroundSecondaryColor, highlightColor) this won't be necessary.
The only advantage of another color set would be a greater space for user to
click/hover (we can fix that with padding). The disadvantage is that the
look&feel will be broken and also other icons will not correlate actions
done in XWiki (edit, delete, comment, etc) with the corresponding rights.
If the hover/click and the size of the icons are the only problem :) then is
ok
Thanks,
Caty
Hi Caty,
This version is really cool, just some minor comments:
When I mouse over some right icon (FF 3.6), the dropdown menu with
allow/deny/etc. is shown, but this menu is very hard to see, because it
has almost the same color as the background and the icons are right
above the right icons from the line below.
The popup with the hint what right it is and why it is inherited is
really helpful, but to open it I need to hit the small triangle near to
the icon, otherwise only the dropdown menu is shown (but maybe its just
because it is not the final version). This might be quite hard for some
people.
I'd made the icons larger (at least 24x24) and add more contrast (right
now inherited rights look like disabled GUI controls to me), especially
to the dropdown menu, view right icon and inherited right arrow from the
menu.
I think that the tooltip can be added on mouse click. This would imply
adding a nice question mark instead of that small arrow, and the user
would click anywhere on the span with the class name "summary". And
another improvement would be to add more padding to the drop down
menus. Caty is currently using the secondary background color, right?
Maybe we should use the highlight color, but I'm not sure of that.
Raluca.
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On 06/04/2010 06:54 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Take a look at Rights 5
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights5Space
>
> Added:
> * information regarding the advanced rights (inherits, overrides)
> * icons built together as a whole
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/i…
> * representation of "advanced
rights" with the same abstract icon, but
with
> different color (no text; we can debate
this)
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/c…
> * inheritance arrow married with +/-
>
> IMGs (in case of browser problem)
> - collapsed:
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/r…
> - expanded:
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/r…
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:42, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
>
>> Hi Caty,
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 18:09, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Denis,
>>>
>>> I want to thank you again for all the help you are giving :P
>>>
>>
>> This is pleasure to participate especially because you provide really
good
>> proposals.
>> I would also like to see others participating, currently the discussion
is
>> becoming to much bilateral IMO.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Please take a look at a proposal for "V3 and my 3)" version with
elements
>>> from Rights2 :)
>>>
>>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal
>>> and in "action"
>>>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Space
>>
>>
>> Really nice job ! I really appreciate.
>>
>>
>>> The prototype is not reflecting the "desired" interaction: both
inherited
>>> info and rights change appear on
hover (right icon and arrow), instead
of
>>> hover | click.
>>>
>>
>> I am not sure what are really your intend. I think that the big
tooltips
>> describing the rights should be the only
tooltips, and should be show
on
>> hover only after a small timeout (like
the yellow one currently).
Clicking
any where on the +/- icon or v would then open the
menu.
Is it what you try ?
yes, on hover show the tooltip, on click show the menu.
10:50 a.m.
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 01:53, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
I do not agree, I see basic as an horizontal presentation and advance to be
a vertical more detailed variant. Maybe the inheritance information from
the
tootips could be put in a second column when displaying advanced mode.
With what information the right represented in the collapsed mode will be
more detailed than in the expanded one? By having the name written explicit
in text? This is not enough and when you have icons that are use elsewhere
in the wiki, the user learns the meaning and doesn't need the textual info
so bad.
What you are telling me is like the version 4.2, when the collapse mode was
just a summary of the expanded mode. But when we moved in the collapse mode
the functionality (changing the right/drag), then the collapsed mode began
to represent the interface and not the summary any more.
That's why I removed the duplicates from the expanded mode. There is no use
to put the same actions/info twice. This only will overload the interface
and will bring few/to none improvements.
No, I would just remove the basic view in favor of a advance one, so there
is no duplication, just a more detailed view of the same information.
> Good point. Here is some proposal for each column:
>
> 1) a dropdown list proposing local (default), global or both ?
>
I would prefer rights separation depending on the location:
- if you want to see global rights - go to global;
- if you want to see wiki rights - go to wiki,
etc.
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Proposal#HN…
k. Thanks for explaining that. It will be added to the display of filters.
Why not, this should be tried to see what it provide. I am not sure this
will be used often, since rights regarding a given level are usually not so
complex that you are unable to read them all. I have seen interesting to
hide inherited only rows, because these are not show currently in the
interface, and this could be useful to revert to current view, especially
for user that has already used this interface.
I'll do a filter representation to see how is gonna look like.
Hi Caty,
I am glad to see that others are looking at what we do, and it is good time
for them to comment now, since I will not have many more comments now :) I
have replied to some of your comment below...
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 18:54, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
instead
This is perfect, but you should include a little timeout for the tooltips,
or it will be too much invasive.
From the reaction of Alex and Raluca, I really hope you will be able to
implement the correct interaction in your samples, since this seems to
cause
a lot of confusion. If you can't, let me know, I will try to find some time
to have a look at it.
helps
more).
and
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal#H…
information
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal#H…
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights43Propos…
is
column
table
> > > header is well done. I do not like it when nothing is expanded
since
blindness
> > and
> > will not distinguish between some color tones (this is the case when we
Personally I would prefer the text variant. If not, I do not see the point
to expand vertically, just put all on a single row.
The reason they are put on two rows is the one you gave me:
"helps basic users to have a simplified and more easy interface to
understand. We may even imagine that only 'advanced user' (those marked so
in their profile), has access to the expanded view. "
If we are gonna add rights per application, then we will have a separation
between the "basic rights" and the "extended/advanced rights". The
"basic
rights" are the ones that any admin should know about and that cover the
most important functions of the wiki.
"Extended rights" could be easy ignored by admins (especially beginners
admins), that can rely on their default status. If we put all the rights on
the same row, we are giving them the same importance and the admins will
feel the need to learn and set them all. IMO, programming will fit in the
"extended rights" section.
Also, if we are using icons, I prefer all rights should be represented with
icons because of the consistency. There is no need to have two
representations for elements that do the same thing (if all are rights than
they should all act like it, look like it, etc)
Hi,
Take a look at Rights 5
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights5Space
Added:
* information regarding the advanced rights (inherits, overrides)
* icons built together as a whole
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/i…
* representation of "advanced rights"
with the same abstract icon, but
with
different color (no text; we can debate this)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/c…
* inheritance arrow married with +/-
IMGs (in case of browser problem)
- collapsed:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/r…
- expanded:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/r…
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:42, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
good
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal
Hi Caty,
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 18:09, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Denis,
I want to thank you again for all the help you are giving :P
This is pleasure to participate especially because you provide really proposals.
I would also like to see others participating, currently the discussion
is
becoming to much bilateral IMO.
>
> Please take a look at a proposal for "V3 and my 3)" version with
elements
from
Rights2 :)
> > and in "action"
> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Space
Really nice job ! I really appreciate.
> The prototype is not reflecting the "desired" interaction: both
inherited
> > info and rights change appear on hover (right icon and arrow), of
> > hover | click.
> >
>
> I am not sure what are really your intend. I think that the big
tooltips
> describing the rights should be the only
tooltips, and should be show
on
hover
only after a small timeout (like the yellow one currently).
Clicking
any where on the +/- icon or v would then open
the menu.
Is it what you try ?
yes, on hover show the tooltip, on click show the menu. >
> >
> > That "v" needs to be an arrow like the one we use in the action
menus.
>
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 19:06, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
>
> > Caty,
> >
> > Really nice and interesting post, I will try to reach that level...
but
> > > without visual :\
> > >
> > > I really think that using the collapsed view for editing would > > basic
> > > users to have a simplified and more easy interface to understand.
We
may
any
> > > non-defaulted additional right in action.
> >
> > This is a signal that extended
> > > rights are in use (See it like the grey box of Windows when special
> > rights
> > > are setup, which is inviting to go into advanced view to know > even imagine that only "advanced
user" (those marked so in their
profile),
> has access to the expanded view.
>
> I think that the collapsed view missed an additional icon that
summarize
> > the
> > rights that are not shown. This one would only be shown if there is This
> > one would be obviously not editable, and should probably work like
the
...
> or replace it ? In place of the ... . Concerning the ..., I am not
sure,
> > but
> > I would also prefer to see a textual link "advanced" in small font,
>
only
> visible when row is hovered.
>
>
Sorry to insist, but the information regarding the advanced rights is
still
missing in collapsed mode.
I really would like to have a indicator that some advanced rights has
been
set locally or not without having to go advanced
mode. Else, you will
have
to expand all rows to check that information,
which is not practical.
>
>
> > Order of right are not significant, so I would prefer that in all
view,
> > these where in the same order, with the
basic right first
(V/C/E/D/A/P)
> and
> > the additional right in their order of registration (hope that it
will
> > stay
> > > constant... or we will have to find a way to keep them ordered).
> > > The "right" part of each icon should be grayed if the right is
> inherited
> > > and
> > > not grayed if the right is set locally, this improve the > provided in V3.
> >
> > The problem with this icons (taken from Silk) is that there is little
> > difference for View, Comment, Admin icons between the two states
> > (inherited,
> > locally set) - but this is something we can easily improve (by
changing
the
icons and looking for some more contrast).
Example: This is how they look when all rights are set locally (full
color)
> >
> >
> >
> > > I also think that the +/- (which is never grayed) could be
> > > nearer to the right icon. Maybe you could use a green V and a read
> "stop"
> > > in
> > > place of +/- ?
> > >
> >
> > The other mockup versions (like
> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights41Space
)
> > used
> > v/x for the allow/deny representation, and yes, I agree that they are
> more
> > suited than +/-.
> >
> > The problem is that we are using in XWiki, X to represent delete, so
> having
> > two xX was too much, that's why I introduced +/-. Maybe we can find
> another
> > solution.
> >
>
> I think we need some polishing on the icons used. Building them
> specifically
> would be nice, but I do not know if you or anyone want to have a try at
> that. My feeling is that the couple +/- or better v/x and the right
icon
should be
built together and closer to each other providing the
information
as a whole and not giving the impression of two
part. Using a v for
suggesting the menu is nice, could be even improved by styling some
"button
> like" borders on hover.
>
> All menus could also be improved by using the inheritance arrow married
> with
> +/- (or v/x) to show immediately what will be the right if inheritance used.
>
>
> >
> > Regarding the collapsed view, I see three possibilities to
investigate
> for
> > allowing edition while improving readability (note that readability
has
> the
> > same issue in expanded view, but it seems to be less annoying) :
> >
> > 1) use V3, but when hovering a row, use V2 on that row and allow
> drag/drop
> > (keeping V2 until drop even is hover is temporary lost). Not sure
this
> > will
> > > be nice in practice ? see 2)
> > >
> > > 2) use a presentation in 4 columns, for both collapsed and expanded
> view,
> > > the first column behing a read-only summary like V3, and the 3 > > being
> > > an ordered V1. However, dragging from summary would be allowed. The
3
> > > detailed column could be shown
only when a drag is started from
> summary,
> > or
> > > with a global horizontal expansion button... Basic user would have
> access
> > > to
> > > this, but not necessarily to vertical row expansion. Not sure this
is
> not
> > > an
> > > increase in complexity ? so, see 3)
> > >
> > > 3) use V3, and a similar interface to what we have in current right
> > > management interface. Since saved are postponed (not like we have
> > > currently), using this one may be both practical and could helps
the
> > > transition for existing user as
well. With all the belts and
whistle
added
> to clearly state changes and inheritance, this will be similar but
really
> > better than what we have.
> >
> > If we go for V3 and my 3) proposal, I also wonder if the current it
"advanced
> is
> > confusing, too large, and not significant. It will be even more
> unexpected
> > if you follow me on the "advance user" case, when a basic user look
at
> > it.
> > > Maybe you could try a changing header, only expanding when there is
> > > expanded
> > > row, or, you could move the expanded header in each expanded row,
> keeping
> > a
> > > simplified header at the top.
> > >
> > > WDYT ?
> > >
> > > Denis
> > >
> > >
> > Other problem that this proposal has is the representation of rights". If we don't like the textual
description and we want to add
icons,
IMO we have two solutions:
A) use the same abstract icon, but with different color, ex. a key or
lock
> icon with color representation ("blue" for "programming",
"green" for
> "captchaComment", etc)
> - the problem here is for the people that have some kind color > > gonna have lots of "advanced"
| non default rights)
> >
> > B) use the same abstract icon and with an order index (like numbers
1,
2,
> > etc or characters A, B, etc)
> >
> > These representations are based on the fact that "advanced rights"
will
> be
> > added by other developers and the icon will not be custom made for a
> specif
> > right.
> >
>
> Why not just use the big Icons from the menu (using the inheritance
arrow
married
with +/- as proposed above), and directly followed by the v
arrow.
All this in front of the text ?
inheritance arrow + "right" - to describe "right" as inherited
allowed
inheritance arrow - "right" - to describe "right" as inherited
denied
+ "right" - to describe "right" allowed
- "right" - to describe "right" denied
yes - we could do that if we decide to use the textual variant.
>
> Using a generic icon will not improve information and detailed view of
> advanced right in collapsed mode is not expected.
>
> It is not clearly shown on your samples, how multiple advance right
would
> be
> shown. I think one per row is nice, or if you want to limit space, 2 or
3
at
most, shown in columns ?
this depends on which version (textual, icons) we choose for the advanced
rights (I would prefer something linear)
I also wonder is this would help or not to also
extends basic rights in
advanced mode, showing the icons and the text ?
I think this would only add duplicates and mess a bit the meaning of
"advanced" by combining them with "regular".
>
> Another thing we need to consider for this proposal is how the
filtering
> is
> > gonna be made.
>
Why would you like to see both local and global? (filtering?) I think it
will be easier for the user if they are separated.
This is not global in term of right, it is about showing local user/group
or
global user/group. In a farm, the user xwiki:XWiki.Admin may receive
special
right on mywiki:MySpace.MyPage. So, the filtering would be to filter which
user are shown. This is exactly what the current interface do. Hiding
global
user by default is done so because knowing about global user is an advanced
usage that basic users ignore.
So, once again, this has nothing to do with the inheritance of rigths, but
about the origin of the user. And the first column is about user/group, so
it coud fit that need.
2) a textbox which filter on names
For advanced users would be nice to have queries, like "allow view" AND
"inherit deny delete" :)
I was filtering on user/group name here, since second columns is about
user/group names and does not relate to rights.
3) a dropdown list proposing all (default), hide
inherited only, and
maybe
the list of rights, showing only rows where the
selected right is set
locally ?
The dropdown with the list of rights (view, edit, etc.) could also have
another dropdown next to it to set the state of the right (inherited,
allowed, denied)
I hope this is clearer. I really hope that we will now receive more
feedback... and that we will be able to implement this in the near future
on
top of the new implementation of the right service from Andreas.
Anyway,congratulation for this great piece of work.
Thanks Denis again for all the input,
Caty
Denis
Thanks,
Caty
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On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:50, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
or
be
By putting the information in the tooltip regarding the origin of
inheritance, avoiding the needs to read that information separately for each
rights, but having it displayed simultaneously in a column.
No, I would just remove the basic view in favor of a advance one, so there
which
Why not, this should be tried to see what it provide. I am not sure this
will be used often, since rights regarding a given level are usually not so
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On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 01:53, Denis Gervalle
<dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/i…
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/c…
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/r…
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/r…
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal
instead
This is perfect, but you should include a little timeout for the tooltips,
is
like
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal#H…
information
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal#H…
(full
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights43Propos…
are
married
The
but
since
> it
> > > is
> > > > confusing, too large, and not significant. It will be even more
> > > unexpected
> > > > if you follow me on the "advance user" case, when a basic
user look
add
Personally I would prefer the text variant. If not, I do not see the point
Hi Caty,
I am glad to see that others are looking at what we do, and it is good
time
for them to comment now, since I will not have
many more comments now :)
I
have replied to some of your comment below...
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 18:54, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi,
Take a look at Rights 5
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights5Space
Added:
* information regarding the advanced rights (inherits, overrides)
* icons built together as a whole
*
representation of "advanced rights" with the same abstract icon, but
with
different color (no text; we can debate this)
*
inheritance arrow married with +/-
IMGs (in case of browser problem)
- collapsed:
-
expanded:
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:42, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
>
> > Hi Caty,
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 18:09, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Denis,
> > >
> > > I want to thank you again for all the help you are giving :P
> > >
> >
> > This is pleasure to participate especially because you provide really
> good
> > proposals.
> > I would also like to see others participating, currently the
discussion
is
becoming to much bilateral IMO.
>
> Please take a look at a proposal for "V3 and my 3)" version with
elements
> from Rights2 :)
>
> >
and in "action"
> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Space
Really nice job ! I really appreciate.
> The prototype is not reflecting the "desired" interaction: both
inherited
> > info and rights change appear on hover (right icon and arrow), of
> > hover | click.
> >
>
> I am not sure what are really your intend. I think that the big
tooltips
> describing the rights should be the only
tooltips, and should be show
on
hover
only after a small timeout (like the yellow one currently).
Clicking
any where on the +/- icon or v would then open
the menu.
Is it what you try ?
yes, on hover show the tooltip, on click show the menu. or it will be too much invasive.
From the reaction of Alex and Raluca, I really hope you will be able to
implement the correct interaction in your samples, since this seems to
cause
a lot of confusion. If you can't, let me know, I will try to find some
time
to have a look at it.
wrote:
>
> >
> > That "v" needs to be an arrow like the one we use in the action
menus.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 19:06, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> > > >
> > > > Caty,
> > > >
> > > > Really nice and interesting post, I will try to reach that
level...
but
> > > without visual :\
> > >
> > > I really think that using the collapsed view for editing would
helps
> > basic
> > > users to have a simplified and more easy interface to understand.
We
> > may
> > > > even imagine that only "advanced user" (those marked so in
their
> > > profile),
> > > > has access to the expanded view.
> > > >
> > > > I think that the collapsed view missed an additional icon that
> > summarize
> > > > the
> > > > rights that are not shown. This one would only be shown if there
> any
> > > > non-defaulted additional right in action.
> > >
> > > This is a signal that extended
> > > > rights are in use (See it like the grey box of Windows when
special
> >
rights
> > > are setup, which is inviting to go into advanced view to know
more).
> > This
> > > > one would be obviously not editable, and should probably work > the
> > > ...
> > > > or replace it ? In place of the ... . Concerning the ..., I am
not
> > sure,
> > > > but
> > > > I would also prefer to see a textual link "advanced" in
small
font,
and
> > only
> > visible when row is hovered.
> >
> >
>
>
Sorry to insist, but the information regarding the advanced rights is
still
missing in collapsed mode.
I really would like to have a indicator that some advanced rights has
been
set locally or not without having to go advanced
mode. Else, you will
have
to expand all rows to check that information,
which is not practical.
>
>
> > Order of right are not significant, so I would prefer that in all
view,
> > these where in the same order, with the
basic right first
(V/C/E/D/A/P)
> and
> > the additional right in their order of registration (hope that it
will
> > stay
> > > constant... or we will have to find a way to keep them ordered).
> > > The "right" part of each icon should be grayed if the right is
> inherited
> > > and
> > > not grayed if the right is set locally, this improve the > >
provided in V3.
>
>
>
>
> > >
> > > The problem with this icons (taken from Silk) is that there is
little
> >
difference for View, Comment, Admin icons between the two states
> > (inherited,
> > locally set) - but this is something we can easily improve (by
changing
> > the
> > > icons and looking for some more contrast).
> > > Example: This is how they look when all rights are set locally color)
>
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > I also think that the +/- (which is never grayed) could be
> > > > nearer to the right icon. Maybe you could use a green V and a
read
>
"stop"
> > > in
> > > place of +/- ?
> > >
> >
> > The other mockup versions (like
> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights41Space
> )
> > > used
> > > v/x for the allow/deny representation, and yes, I agree that they > > more
> > > suited than +/-.
> > >
> > > The problem is that we are using in XWiki, X to represent delete,
so
> > having
> > > two xX was too much, that's why I introduced +/-. Maybe we can find
> > another
> > > solution.
> > >
> >
> > I think we need some polishing on the icons used. Building them
> > specifically
> > would be nice, but I do not know if you or anyone want to have a try
at
>
that. My feeling is that the couple +/- or better v/x and the right
icon
> > should be built together and closer to each other providing the
> information
> > as a whole and not giving the impression of two part. Using a v for
> > suggesting the menu is nice, could be even improved by styling some
> "button
> > like" borders on hover.
> >
> > All menus could also be improved by using the inheritance arrow > > with
> > +/- (or v/x) to show immediately what will be the right if
inheritance
is
> > used.
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Regarding the collapsed view, I see three possibilities to
> investigate
> > > for
> > > > allowing edition while improving readability (note that
readability
> has
> > > the
> > > > same issue in expanded view, but it seems to be less annoying) :
> > > >
> > > > 1) use V3, but when hovering a row, use V2 on that row and allow
> > > drag/drop
> > > > (keeping V2 until drop even is hover is temporary lost). Not sure
> this
> > > will
> > > > be nice in practice ? see 2)
> > > >
> > > > 2) use a presentation in 4 columns, for both collapsed and
expanded
>
view,
> > > the first column behing a read-only summary like V3, and the 3
column
> > > being
> > > > an ordered V1. However, dragging from summary would be allowed.
3
> > > > detailed column could be shown only when a drag is started from
> > summary,
> > > or
> > > > with a global horizontal expansion button... Basic user would
have
> > access
> > > > to
> > > > this, but not necessarily to vertical row expansion. Not sure
this
is
> > not
> > > > an
> > > > increase in complexity ? so, see 3)
> > > >
> > > > 3) use V3, and a similar interface to what we have in current
right
> >
> management interface. Since saved are postponed (not like we have
> > > currently), using this one may be both practical and could helps
the
> > > transition for existing user as
well. With all the belts and
whistle
> > > added
> > > > to clearly state changes and inheritance, this will be similar really
> > better than what we have.
> >
> > If we go for V3 and my 3) proposal, I also wonder if the current
table
> > > header is well done. I do not like it when nothing is expanded > at
> > > it.
> > > > Maybe you could try a changing header, only expanding when there
is
> >
> expanded
> > > row, or, you could move the expanded header in each expanded row,
> keeping
> > a
> > > simplified header at the top.
> > >
> > > WDYT ?
> > >
> > > Denis
> > >
> > >
> > Other problem that this proposal has is the representation of
"advanced
> > > rights". If we don't like the textual description and we want to
> > icons,
> > > IMO we have two solutions:
> > >
> > > A) use the same abstract icon, but with different color, ex. a key
or
> > lock
> > > icon with color representation ("blue" for
"programming", "green"
for
> > > "captchaComment", etc)
> > > - the problem here is for the people that have some kind color
> blindness
> > > and
> > > will not distinguish between some color tones (this is the case
when
we
a
> > gonna have lots of "advanced"
| non default rights)
> >
> > B) use the same abstract icon and with an order index (like numbers
1,
2,
> > etc or characters A, B, etc)
> >
> > These representations are based on the fact that "advanced rights"
will
> > be
> > > added by other developers and the icon will not be custom made for >
specif
> > right.
> >
>
> Why not just use the big Icons from the menu (using the inheritance
arrow
married
with +/- as proposed above), and directly followed by the v
arrow.
All this in front of the text ?
inheritance arrow + "right" - to describe "right" as inherited
allowed
inheritance arrow - "right" - to describe "right" as inherited
denied
+ "right" - to describe "right" allowed
- "right" - to describe "right" denied
yes - we could do that if we decide to use the textual variant.
to expand vertically, just put all on a single
row.
The reason they are put on two rows is the one you gave me:
"helps basic users to have a simplified and more easy interface to
understand. We may even imagine that only 'advanced user' (those marked so
in their profile), has access to the expanded view.
If we are gonna add rights per application, then we
will have a separation
between the "basic rights" and the "extended/advanced rights". The
"basic
rights" are the ones that any admin should know about and that cover the
most important functions of the wiki.
"Extended rights" could be easy ignored by admins (especially beginners
admins), that can rely on their default status. If we put all the rights on
the same row, we are giving them the same importance and the admins will
feel the need to learn and set them all. IMO, programming will fit in the
"extended rights" section.
Also, if we are using icons, I prefer all rights should be represented with
icons because of the consistency. There is no need to have two
representations for elements that do the same thing (if all are rights than
they should all act like it, look like it, etc)
I am afraid that advanced right will be difficult to iconize clearly.
Moreover, once the set of items became large, icons are not an easy way to
recognize each item, so using text will helps more than keeping consistency.
>
> >
> > Using a generic icon will not improve information and detailed view
of
>
advanced right in collapsed mode is not expected.
>
> It is not clearly shown on your samples, how multiple advance right
would
> > be
> > shown. I think one per row is nice, or if you want to limit space, 2 3
> > at
> > most, shown in columns ?
> >
>
> this depends on which version (textual, icons) we choose for the
advanced
rights (I
would prefer something linear)
I do not agree, I see basic as an horizontal presentation and advance to a vertical more detailed variant. Maybe the
inheritance information from
the
tootips could be put in a second column when displaying advanced mode.
With what information the right represented in the collapsed mode will be
more detailed than in the expanded one? By having the name written explicit
in text? This is not enough and when you have icons
that are use elsewhere
in the wiki, the user learns the meaning and doesn't need the textual info
so bad.
What you are telling me is like the version 4.2, when the collapse mode was
just a summary of the expanded mode. But when we moved in the collapse mode
the functionality (changing the right/drag), then the collapsed mode began
to represent the interface and not the summary any more.
As I have said, I see the collapsed mode as a basic interface, and the
advanced mode as an advanced interface. Two way to display information, and
to interact with it. Basic users will never look at advanced mode which is
more for admins. Be careful that setting page right could be a user task,
not an admin task. What I have said is that we could even limit access to
advanced mode to advanced users, like what we do with the edit menu.
That's why I removed the duplicates from the expanded mode. There is no use
to put the same actions/info twice. This only will overload the interface
and will bring few/to none improvements.
It will if it display the inheritance source in a column. For right set at
current level this column could even precise what inheritance has been
overwritten, both in terms of allowance and origin.
Denis.
>
>
> > I also wonder is this would help or not to also extends basic rights
in
advanced mode, showing the icons and the text ?
I think this would only add duplicates and mess a bit the meaning of
"advanced" by combining them with "regular".
is no duplication, just a more detailed view of
the same information.
> Good point. Here is some proposal for each column:
>
> 1) a dropdown list proposing local (default), global or both ?
>
I would prefer rights separation depending on the location:
- if you want to see global rights - go to global;
- if you want to see wiki rights - go to wiki,
etc.
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Proposal#HN…
>
> Another thing we need to consider for this proposal is how the
filtering
> is
> > gonna be made.
> >
> Why would you like to see both local and global? (filtering?) I think
it
will be
easier for the user if they are separated.
This is not global in term of right, it is about showing local user/group
or
global user/group. In a farm, the user xwiki:XWiki.Admin may receive
special
right on mywiki:MySpace.MyPage. So, the filtering would be to filter user are shown. This is exactly what the current
interface do. Hiding
global
user by default is done so because knowing about global user is an
advanced
usage that basic users ignore.
So, once again, this has nothing to do with the inheritance of rigths,
but
about the origin of the user. And the first
column is about user/group,
so
it coud fit that need.
k. Thanks for explaining that. It will be added to the display of filters.
2) a textbox which filter on names
For advanced users would be nice to have queries, like "allow view" AND
"inherit deny delete" :)
I was filtering on user/group name here, since second columns is about
user/group names and does not relate to rights.
3) a dropdown list proposing all (default), hide
inherited only, and
maybe
the list of rights, showing only rows where the
selected right is set
locally ?
The dropdown with the list of rights (view, edit, etc.) could also have
another dropdown next to it to set the state of the right (inherited,
allowed, denied)
complex that you are unable to read them all. I
have seen interesting to
hide inherited only rows, because these are not show currently in the
interface, and this could be useful to revert to current view, especially
for user that has already used this interface.
I'll do a filter representation to see how is gonna look like.
I hope this is clearer. I really hope that we will now receive more
feedback... and that we will be able to implement this in the near future
on
top of the new implementation of the right service from Andreas.
Anyway,congratulation for this great piece of work.
Thanks Denis again for all the input,
Caty
Denis
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New subject: [xwiki-users] [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Rights Management UI
It will if it display the inheritance source in a
column. For right set at
current level this column could even precise what inheritance has been
overwritten, both in terms of allowance and origin.
Denis.
Hi Denis,
"Something" like this:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights51Space
Thanks,
Caty
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8 Jun
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New subject: [xwiki-users] [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Rights Management UI
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 21:33, Raluca Stavro
<raluca.morosan(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
No, the icon size is ok. I modified a bit proposal 5.1 (I hope it's ok
with you Caty, otherwise we can revert the changes and add proposal
5.2) http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights51Space
.
I added more padding, more margin, a bigger width for the available
rights to change (.submenuitem a span.changedRight) and I've made the
arrow a bit bigger (102% font size).
This way the user will select easier the items.
I didn't have time to change the way the submenu is displayed (click
instead of mouse over), but it's clear for me the way it will look
like and I really think that this proposal is clean and easy to
use/understand.
Raluca.
Hello all,
I really like the last proposal, Caty :)
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Alex Busenius <alex.busenius(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
Thanks Raluca. Yes, a better solution is be to increase the padding and also
use $theme.backgroundSecondaryColor (or a darker tone).
The problem is that on default theme, backgroundSecondaryColor is a gray
color and the contrast with the gray icon is not that good.
In terms of interaction I think "hover on tooltip" and "click on
arrow" for
changing the rights is better. The user browse the rights to see the
inheritance and see what those rights means, and when he made up his mind he
clicks and change the right.
There are more cases when the users is just browsing the rights, inspecting
or see rights meaning, than actually change them; so the harder activity
(clicking) should be put on changing the right.
The small arrow is a sign that there is a menu. If the menu will appear on
click, the arrow is necessary to work as an invitation and also to keep the
consistency with actionMenus.
Raluca, do you think we should use bigger icons, like Alex suggested? Maybe
if we put enough padding and we work a bit on the contrast
(backgroundSecondaryColor, highlightColor) this won't be necessary. Hi Caty,
This version is really cool, just some minor comments:
When I mouse over some right icon (FF 3.6), the dropdown menu with
allow/deny/etc. is shown, but this menu is very hard to see, because it
has almost the same color as the background and the icons are right
above the right icons from the line below.
The popup with the hint what right it is and why it is inherited is
really helpful, but to open it I need to hit the small triangle near to
the icon, otherwise only the dropdown menu is shown (but maybe its just
because it is not the final version). This might be quite hard for some
people.
I'd made the icons larger (at least 24x24) and add more contrast (right
now inherited rights look like disabled GUI controls to me), especially
to the dropdown menu, view right icon and inherited right arrow from the
menu.
I think that the tooltip can be added on mouse click. This would imply
adding a nice question mark instead of that small arrow, and the user
would click anywhere on the span with the class name "summary". And
another improvement would be to add more padding to the drop down
menus. Caty is currently using the secondary background color, right?
Maybe we should use the highlight color, but I'm not sure of that.
The only advantage of another color set would be a greater space for user to
click/hover (we can fix that with padding). The disadvantage is that the
look&feel will be broken and also other icons will not correlate actions
done in XWiki (edit, delete, comment, etc) with the corresponding rights.
If the hover/click and the size of the icons are the only problem :) then is
ok
Thanks,
Caty
Raluca.
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On 06/04/2010 06:54 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Take a look at Rights 5
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights5Space
>
> Added:
> * information regarding the advanced rights (inherits, overrides)
> * icons built together as a whole
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/i…
> * representation of "advanced
rights" with the same abstract icon, but
with
> different color (no text; we can debate
this)
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/c…
> * inheritance arrow married with +/-
>
> IMGs (in case of browser problem)
> - collapsed:
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/r…
> - expanded:
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights5Space/r…
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:42, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
>
>> Hi Caty,
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 18:09, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Denis,
>>>
>>> I want to thank you again for all the help you are giving :P
>>>
>>
>> This is pleasure to participate especially because you provide really
good
>> proposals.
>> I would also like to see others participating, currently the discussion
is
>> becoming to much bilateral IMO.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Please take a look at a proposal for "V3 and my 3)" version with
elements
>>> from Rights2 :)
>>>
>>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Proposal
>>> and in "action"
>>>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights43Space
>>
>>
>> Really nice job ! I really appreciate.
>>
>>
>>> The prototype is not reflecting the "desired" interaction: both
inherited
>>> info and rights change appear on
hover (right icon and arrow), instead
of
>>> hover | click.
>>>
>>
>> I am not sure what are really your intend. I think that the big
tooltips
>> describing the rights should be the only
tooltips, and should be show
on
>> hover only after a small timeout (like
the yellow one currently).
Clicking
> any
where on the +/- icon or v would then open the menu.
> Is it what you try ?
>
>
yes, on hover show the tooltip, on click show the menu.
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