8 Sep
2011
8 Sep
'11
11:04 a.m.
Hi Users,
After some mails with Vincent and Scott the idea was born to make a
strip-down-xwiki guide.
The reason for this is the fact that for a lot of novice users, xwiki seems
at the first glance to complex to handle.
By making a strip-down Guide we hope to make Xwiki more accessible for a
broader audience, and thus generate more users worldwide.
In order to make this strip-down Guide as complete as possible, I would like
to ask all of you to post your thoughts and ideas on this.
For starters, here are mine, if they are allready easily solved, let me
know:
-Make the search function easier to adapt.
For instance, I have multiple spaces, and i want that the search function
only searches in certain, predifened spaces and shows the results within the
space the search was started from.
-An easy way to create a template so that users cannot copy paste in
whatever form and shape they want, but it shows a line where they can type
in the header, and below the content. All in the same style.
-An easy way to show-hide the comments box on the bottom of the page. At the
moment I use a solution where I include a document with the script to do
this in, in every page. This should be dealt with globally, and possible for
people without a lot of programming knowledge.
-The sandgrains work, but not from one space to another, at the moment I use
the include Makro to maintain my saindgrain navigation intact, but it would
be far easier if documents from other spaces where I link to, adapt the
parent from the space where I started from.
-The Logo has a predefined link to the main wiki, which causes endusers in a
space, when they click on this, to get to the main wiki page, and it
confuses them. I would like an easy way (not by editing the global.vm
template!) to personalize this.
-A wide spread opinion says, that you can just give users rights to certain
documents. But if an enduser can see a document, but not open it, the
endusers feels as if there are secrets kept from him. I want an easier way
to hide these documents completey, but show them to other users who are
allowed to see them in the same space.
-Expand and collaps user generated panels
If I create panels, their initial state is allways open, I can close them,
but when I go to anothere page, it shows the panels open again. Is it
possible to make check box within each panel in the panel wizard that allows
me to change this?
Many of these points here may seem irrelevant to many of the longtime
developers, but a lot of questions within this userlist have to do with the
usability.
For your understanding, I come from a total different corner then most of
you. I come from CM, not from programming.
But I think if we can work together on this, Xwiki will gain more users in
the end.
If anyone sees this different, let me know, lets communicate so I can start
working on the Strip down Guide.
And to all you programming masterminds out there, keep up the great work, it
made Xwiki to that what is today, thank you so much for all the efforts.
With Kind regards,
Wouter
8 Sep
8 Sep
3:15 p.m.
Hi,
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:04, Wouter de Vos <hukabuka(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi Users,
After some mails with Vincent and Scott the idea was born to make a
strip-down-xwiki guide.
The reason for this is the fact that for a lot of novice users, xwiki seems
at the first glance to complex to handle.
By making a strip-down Guide we hope to make Xwiki more accessible for a
broader audience, and thus generate more users worldwide.
I think this relates to an older XWiki Flavors idea
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-356
where XWiki should adapt and serve just a specific need*:
- Public Website;
- CMS;
- Simple Wiki;
- Structured Wiki;
- Advanced Enterprise Wiki;
- Dev Platform;
- Administrable System.
* categories provided by Sergiu Dumitriu
What would be interesting regarding this topic is that each one responding
to this mail should select a category where he fits and talk about the
configuration, features he needs in order for XWiki to be the perfect tool
for that case.
In order to make this strip-down Guide as complete as
possible, I would
like
to ask all of you to post your thoughts and ideas on this.
For starters, here are mine, if they are allready easily solved, let me
know:
-Make the search function easier to adapt.
For instance, I have multiple spaces, and i want that the search function
only searches in certain, predifened spaces and shows the results within
the
space the search was started from.
Could be resolved by having an "advanced search" tool based on filters.
-An easy way to create a template so that users cannot copy paste in
whatever form and shape they want, but it shows a line where they can type
in the header, and below the content. All in the same style.
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/Forms ?
-An easy way to show-hide the comments box on the bottom of the page. At
the
moment I use a solution where I include a document with the script to do
this in, in every page. This should be dealt with globally, and possible
for
people without a lot of programming knowledge.
Hide the entire comment tab or just the box?
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XAADMINISTRATION-239
-The sandgrains work, but not from one space to
another, at the moment I
use
the include Makro to maintain my saindgrain navigation intact, but it would
be far easier if documents from other spaces where I link to, adapt the
parent from the space where I started from.
Not sure what you are talking about: backlinks mechanism? breadcrumbs? page
parent?
-The Logo has a predefined link to the main wiki, which causes endusers in
a
space, when they click on this, to get to the main wiki page, and it
confuses them. I would like an easy way (not by editing the global.vm
template!) to personalize this.
Having the logo point to the homepage is a well known, globally used pattern
http://www.welie.com/patterns/showPattern.php?patternID=home . I wouldn't
want to change that.
-A wide spread opinion says, that you can just give users rights to certain
documents. But if an enduser can see a document, but not open it, the
endusers feels as if there are secrets kept from him. I want an easier way
to hide these documents completey, but show them to other users who are
allowed to see them in the same space.
Yes, this could be improved.
-Expand and collaps user generated panels
If I create panels, their initial state is allways open, I can close them,
but when I go to anothere page, it shows the panels open again. Is it
possible to make check box within each panel in the panel wizard that
allows
me to change this?
This depends on the situation. Maybe it should remember the state if
expanding is allowed, but actually I think panels should be better
integrated in the skin (not with such an independent feel) and be more
related to the content (having this way no need to collapse them).
Many of these points here may seem irrelevant to many of the longtime
developers, but a lot of questions within this userlist have to do with the
usability.
I think that the problems you mentioned are just specific use cases and do
not actually creates a minimal list of things that can be configurable and
selected within XWiki. I would rather be interested in the things you use
and could be part of the configuration.
Thanks,
Caty
For your understanding, I come from a total different
corner then most of
you. I come from CM, not from programming.
But I think if we can work together on this, Xwiki will gain more users in
the end.
If anyone sees this different, let me know, lets communicate so I can start
working on the Strip down Guide.
And to all you programming masterminds out there, keep up the great work,
it
made Xwiki to that what is today, thank you so much for all the efforts.
With Kind regards,
Wouter
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9 Sep
9 Sep
4:31 p.m.
On Sep 8, 2011, at 3:15 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:04, Wouter de Vos <hukabuka(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
This notion of flavors is going to become possible/interesting as soon as we have our
Extension Manager working. My vision is that XE would be relatively empty by default with
a minimal set of extensions installed and when started for the first time, the user will
get shown flavors to pick (a flavor is simply a predefined set of extensions), which the
ability to not choose a flavor and instead hand-pick the list of extensions to install.
Note that flavors should be defined as extensions (they are simple extensions having
dependencies on other extensions) and as such the community will be able to publish
flavors on extensions.xwiki.org and these flavors would get available when starting xwiki
for the first time.
Thanks
-Vincent
Hi Users,
After some mails with Vincent and Scott the idea was born to make a
strip-down-xwiki guide.
The reason for this is the fact that for a lot of novice users, xwiki seems
at the first glance to complex to handle.
By making a strip-down Guide we hope to make Xwiki more accessible for a
broader audience, and thus generate more users worldwide.
I think this relates to an older XWiki Flavors idea
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-356
where XWiki should adapt and serve just a specific need*:
- Public Website;
- CMS;
- Simple Wiki;
- Structured Wiki;
- Advanced Enterprise Wiki;
- Dev Platform;
- Administrable System.
* categories provided by Sergiu Dumitriu What would be interesting regarding this topic is that
each one responding
to this mail should select a category where he fits and talk about the
configuration, features he needs in order for XWiki to be the perfect tool
for that case.
In order to make this strip-down Guide as
complete as possible, I would
like
to ask all of you to post your thoughts and ideas on this.
For starters, here are mine, if they are allready easily solved, let me
know:
-Make the search function easier to adapt.
For instance, I have multiple spaces, and i want that the search function
only searches in certain, predifened spaces and shows the results within
the
space the search was started from.
Could be resolved by having an "advanced search" tool based on filters.
-An easy way to create a template so that users cannot copy paste in
whatever form and shape they want, but it shows a line where they can type
in the header, and below the content. All in the same style.
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/Forms ?
-An easy way to show-hide the comments box on the bottom of the page. At
the
moment I use a solution where I include a document with the script to do
this in, in every page. This should be dealt with globally, and possible
for
people without a lot of programming knowledge.
Hide the entire comment tab or just the box?
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XAADMINISTRATION-239
-The sandgrains work, but not from one space to
another, at the moment I
use
the include Makro to maintain my saindgrain navigation intact, but it would
be far easier if documents from other spaces where I link to, adapt the
parent from the space where I started from.
Not sure what you are talking about: backlinks mechanism? breadcrumbs? page
parent?
-The Logo has a predefined link to the main wiki, which causes endusers in
a
space, when they click on this, to get to the main wiki page, and it
confuses them. I would like an easy way (not by editing the global.vm
template!) to personalize this.
Having the logo point to the homepage is a well known, globally used pattern
http://www.welie.com/patterns/showPattern.php?patternID=home . I wouldn't
want to change that.
-A wide spread opinion says, that you can just give users rights to certain
documents. But if an enduser can see a document, but not open it, the
endusers feels as if there are secrets kept from him. I want an easier way
to hide these documents completey, but show them to other users who are
allowed to see them in the same space.
Yes, this could be improved.
-Expand and collaps user generated panels
If I create panels, their initial state is allways open, I can close them,
but when I go to anothere page, it shows the panels open again. Is it
possible to make check box within each panel in the panel wizard that
allows
me to change this?
This depends on the situation. Maybe it should remember the state if
expanding is allowed, but actually I think panels should be better
integrated in the skin (not with such an independent feel) and be more
related to the content (having this way no need to collapse them).
Many of these points here may seem irrelevant to many of the longtime
developers, but a lot of questions within this userlist have to do with the
usability.
I think that the problems you mentioned are just specific use cases and do
not actually creates a minimal list of things that can be configurable and
selected within XWiki. I would rather be interested in the things you use
and could be part of the configuration.
Thanks,
Caty
> For your understanding, I come from a total different corner then most of
> you. I come from CM, not from programming.
> But I think if we can work together on this, Xwiki will gain more users in
> the end.
> If anyone sees this different, let me know, lets communicate so I can start
> working on the Strip down Guide.
> And to all you programming masterminds out there, keep up the great work,
> it
> made Xwiki to that what is today, thank you so much for all the efforts.
>
> With Kind regards,
>
> Wouter
4:51 p.m.
Hi Wouter,
On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Wouter de Vos wrote:
Hi Users,
After some mails with Vincent and Scott the idea was born to make a
strip-down-xwiki guide.
The reason for this is the fact that for a lot of novice users, xwiki seems
at the first glance to complex to handle.
By making a strip-down Guide we hope to make Xwiki more accessible for a
broader audience, and thus generate more users worldwide.
In order to make this strip-down Guide as complete as possible, I would like
to ask all of you to post your thoughts and ideas on this.
For starters, here are mine, if they are allready easily solved, let me
know:
I wasn't expecting this kind of feedback. For me the idea of this thread was to
discuss things that the user could want to hide. A lot of what you mention isn't about
hiding. Let's take them one by one.
-Make the search function easier to adapt.
For instance, I have multiple spaces, and i want that the search function
only searches in certain, predifened spaces and shows the results within the
space the search was started from.
This isn't about hiding. The search can already filter the spaces to search into
(there's a combo box on the search page for that. Can you tell us precisely what
doesn't work with the current solution?
-An easy way to create a template so that users cannot
copy paste in
whatever form and shape they want, but it shows a line where they can type
in the header, and below the content. All in the same style.
I'm not sure what you call "template".
We already have the notion of page templates, see the Administration application
documentation on extensions.xwiki.org.
-An easy way to show-hide the comments box on the
bottom of the page. At the
moment I use a solution where I include a document with the script to do
this in, in every page. This should be dealt with globally, and possible for
people without a lot of programming knowledge.
Yes we need this. The solution to this is what Marius is currently working on in the
context of App Within Minutes, i.e. the ability to specify for any page what sheet it uses
to display its content. Marius can probably elaborate more on this.
-The sandgrains work, but not from one space to
another, at the moment I use
the include Makro to maintain my saindgrain navigation intact, but it would
be far easier if documents from other spaces where I link to, adapt the
parent from the space where I started from.
I have no clue what sandgrain means. What is it?
-The Logo has a predefined link to the main wiki,
Not true. It has a link to the current wiki.
which causes endusers in a
space, when they click on this, to get to the main wiki page, and it
confuses them. I would like an easy way (not by editing the global.vm
template!) to personalize this.
I'm not convinced at all by this. I think you might be wanting to use XEM instead of
XE since you seem to be using spaces to completely segment projects. Please confirm.
-A wide spread opinion says, that you can just give
users rights to certain
documents.
I don't understand why you're talking about opinion and widespread. This is well
documented.
But if an enduser can see a document, but not open it,
the
endusers feels as if there are secrets kept from him.
Well that's exactly what it is about! Putting rights so that only some people can see
some documents means keeping secrets inside so that others don't see them. Otherwise
just use the default right which is wiki-oriented and which allows people to view/edit all
documents… ;)
I want an easier way
to hide these documents completey, but show them to other users who are
allowed to see them in the same space.
Yes. It's a big change to do but we already discussed this in the past and agreed that
document names shouldn't be visible when the user doesn't have view rights on the
document. There might even be a jira issue about this but I can't find it. You could
create a new one so that we remember it.
-Expand and collaps user generated panels
If I create panels, their initial state is allways open, I can close them,
but when I go to anothere page, it shows the panels open again. Is it
possible to make check box within each panel in the panel wizard that allows
me to change this?
I thought this was already implemented using cookies but can't find it anymore in the
code.
Found this in jira:
http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XE-325
http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-1308
Many of these points here may seem irrelevant to many
of the longtime
developers, but a lot of questions within this userlist have to do with the
usability.
For your understanding, I come from a total different corner then most of
you. I come from CM, not from programming.
But I think if we can work together on this, Xwiki will gain more users in
the end.
If anyone sees this different, let me know, lets communicate so I can start
working on the Strip down Guide.
These are interesting questions but I had a different vision for the strip down guide. My
idea was only to list ways to hide/remove parts of the default UI.
I think what Caty mentioned in her response email s interesting, i.e. defining some
flavors precisely in term of both UI and extensions they should contain.
Thanks!
-Vincent
And to all you programming masterminds out there, keep
up the great work, it
made Xwiki to that what is today, thank you so much for all the efforts.
With Kind regards,
Wouter
11 Sep
11 Sep
12:41 p.m.
Hi All,
First of all thanks for all the replys filled with helpful advices, this is
greatly appreciated, I will try out the solutions the next days an post
feedback.
Second, I must have misunderstood the point, sorry for this, I think Caty
was right there first of all stating the points I made where very specific,
this is true and does not make any sense to use for a simplify my wiki page.
I think the Extensions Manager in XE 3.2 sounds good, since it gives users
the choice form scratch to define some complexity., I will Install and try
it out ASAP and give feedback.
I think it would be good to have examples in the wiki as well, lets take the
forms, the page
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/Formsexplains how to
do this, but it would it not be far easier to have one or
two forms already build in, that users can than adapt, personalize, like
with the panels? Is this possible or are forms to individual?
The flavors idea sounds good, I was not aware of this before, we should look
at the needs for each config indeed I believe the categories provided by
Sergui suffice.
Thanx again for the feedback, I will go and try out all the advices now…
Wouter
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi Wouter,
On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Wouter de Vos wrote:
Hi Users,
After some mails with Vincent and Scott the idea was born to make a
strip-down-xwiki guide.
The reason for this is the fact that for a lot of novice users, xwiki
seems
at the first glance to complex to handle.
By making a strip-down Guide we hope to make Xwiki more accessible for a
broader audience, and thus generate more users worldwide.
In order to make this strip-down Guide as complete as possible, I would
like
to ask all of you to post your thoughts and ideas
on this.
For starters, here are mine, if they are allready easily solved, let me
know:
I wasn't expecting this kind of feedback. For me the idea of this thread
was to discuss things that the user could want to hide. A lot of what you
mention isn't about hiding. Let's take them one by one.
-Make the search function easier to adapt.
For instance, I have multiple spaces, and i want that the search function
only searches in certain, predifened spaces and shows the results within
the
space the search was started from.
This isn't about hiding. The search can already filter the spaces to search
into (there's a combo box on the search page for that. Can you tell us
precisely what doesn't work with the current solution?
-An easy way to create a template so that users
cannot copy paste in
whatever form and shape they want, but it shows a line where they can
type
in the header, and below the content. All in the
same style.
I'm not sure what you call "template".
We already have the notion of page templates, see the Administration
application documentation on extensions.xwiki.org.
-An easy way to show-hide the comments box on the
bottom of the page. At
the
moment I use a solution where I include a
document with the script to do
this in, in every page. This should be dealt with globally, and possible
for
people without a lot of programming knowledge.
Yes we need this. The solution to this is what Marius is currently working
on in the context of App Within Minutes, i.e. the ability to specify for any
page what sheet it uses to display its content. Marius can probably
elaborate more on this.
-The sandgrains work, but not from one space to
another, at the moment I
use
the include Makro to maintain my saindgrain
navigation intact, but it
would
be far easier if documents from other spaces
where I link to, adapt the
parent from the space where I started from.
I have no clue what sandgrain means. What is it?
-The Logo has a predefined link to the main wiki,
Not true. It has a link to the current wiki.
which causes endusers in a
space, when they click on this, to get to the main wiki page, and it
confuses them. I would like an easy way (not by editing the global.vm
template!) to personalize this.
I'm not convinced at all by this. I think you might be wanting to use XEM
instead of XE since you seem to be using spaces to completely segment
projects. Please confirm.
-A wide spread opinion says, that you can just
give users rights to
certain
documents.
I don't understand why you're talking about opinion and widespread. This is
well documented.
But if an enduser can see a document, but not
open it, the
endusers feels as if there are secrets kept from him.
Well that's exactly what it is about! Putting rights so that only some
people can see some documents means keeping secrets inside so that others
don't see them. Otherwise just use the default right which is wiki-oriented
and which allows people to view/edit all documents… ;)
I want an easier way
to hide these documents completey, but show them to other users who are
allowed to see them in the same space.
Yes. It's a big change to do but we already discussed this in the past and
agreed that document names shouldn't be visible when the user doesn't have
view rights on the document. There might even be a jira issue about this but
I can't find it. You could create a new one so that we remember it.
-Expand and collaps user generated panels
If I create panels, their initial state is allways open, I can close
them,
but when I go to anothere page, it shows the
panels open again. Is it
possible to make check box within each panel in the panel wizard that
allows
me to change this?
I thought this was already implemented using cookies but can't find it
anymore in the code.
Found this in jira:
http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XE-325
http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-1308
Many of these points here may seem irrelevant to
many of the longtime
developers, but a lot of questions within this userlist have to do with
the
usability.
For your understanding, I come from a total different corner then most of
you. I come from CM, not from programming.
But I think if we can work together on this, Xwiki will gain more users
in
the end.
If anyone sees this different, let me know, lets communicate so I can
start
working on the Strip down Guide.
These are interesting questions but I had a different vision for the strip
down guide. My idea was only to list ways to hide/remove parts of the
default UI.
I think what Caty mentioned in her response email s interesting, i.e.
defining some flavors precisely in term of both UI and extensions they
should contain.
Thanks!
-Vincent
And to all you programming masterminds out there,
keep up the great work,
it
made Xwiki to that what is today, thank you so
much for all the efforts.
With Kind regards,
Wouter
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users mailing list
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1:56 p.m.
On Sep 11, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Wouter de Vos wrote:
Hi All,
First of all thanks for all the replys filled with helpful advices, this is
greatly appreciated, I will try out the solutions the next days an post
feedback.
Second, I must have misunderstood the point, sorry for this, I think Caty
was right there first of all stating the points I made where very specific,
this is true and does not make any sense to use for a simplify my wiki page.
I think the Extensions Manager in XE 3.2 sounds good, since it gives users
the choice form scratch to define some complexity., I will Install and try
it out ASAP and give feedback.
Thanks that'll be useful for the devs. Just keep in mind that we haven't started
working on the UI part (which is planned for 3.3) so the current UI is very very rough but
this is "normal"… :)
Thanks
-Vincent
I think it would be good to have examples in the wiki
as well, lets take the
forms, the page
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/Formsexplains how to
do this, but it would it not be far easier to have one or
two forms already build in, that users can than adapt, personalize, like
with the panels? Is this possible or are forms to individual?
The flavors idea sounds good, I was not aware of this before, we should look
at the needs for each config indeed I believe the categories provided by
Sergui suffice.
Thanx again for the feedback, I will go and try out all the advices now…
Wouter
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
> Hi Wouter,
>
> On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Wouter de Vos wrote:
>
>> Hi Users,
>>
>> After some mails with Vincent and Scott the idea was born to make a
>> strip-down-xwiki guide.
>> The reason for this is the fact that for a lot of novice users, xwiki
> seems
>> at the first glance to complex to handle.
>> By making a strip-down Guide we hope to make Xwiki more accessible for a
>> broader audience, and thus generate more users worldwide.
>>
>> In order to make this strip-down Guide as complete as possible, I would
> like
>> to ask all of you to post your thoughts and ideas on this.
>> For starters, here are mine, if they are allready easily solved, let me
>> know:
>
> I wasn't expecting this kind of feedback. For me the idea of this thread
> was to discuss things that the user could want to hide. A lot of what you
> mention isn't about hiding. Let's take them one by one.
>
>> -Make the search function easier to adapt.
>> For instance, I have multiple spaces, and i want that the search function
>> only searches in certain, predifened spaces and shows the results within
> the
>> space the search was started from.
>
> This isn't about hiding. The search can already filter the spaces to search
> into (there's a combo box on the search page for that. Can you tell us
> precisely what doesn't work with the current solution?
>
>> -An easy way to create a template so that users cannot copy paste in
>> whatever form and shape they want, but it shows a line where they can
> type
>> in the header, and below the content. All in the same style.
>
> I'm not sure what you call "template".
>
> We already have the notion of page templates, see the Administration
> application documentation on extensions.xwiki.org.
>
>> -An easy way to show-hide the comments box on the bottom of the page. At
> the
>> moment I use a solution where I include a document with the script to do
>> this in, in every page. This should be dealt with globally, and possible
> for
>> people without a lot of programming knowledge.
>
> Yes we need this. The solution to this is what Marius is currently working
> on in the context of App Within Minutes, i.e. the ability to specify for any
> page what sheet it uses to display its content. Marius can probably
> elaborate more on this.
>
>> -The sandgrains work, but not from one space to another, at the moment I
> use
>> the include Makro to maintain my saindgrain navigation intact, but it
> would
>> be far easier if documents from other spaces where I link to, adapt the
>> parent from the space where I started from.
>
> I have no clue what sandgrain means. What is it?
>
>> -The Logo has a predefined link to the main wiki,
>
> Not true. It has a link to the current wiki.
>
>> which causes endusers in a
>> space, when they click on this, to get to the main wiki page, and it
>> confuses them. I would like an easy way (not by editing the global.vm
>> template!) to personalize this.
>
> I'm not convinced at all by this. I think you might be wanting to use XEM
> instead of XE since you seem to be using spaces to completely segment
> projects. Please confirm.
>
>> -A wide spread opinion says, that you can just give users rights to
> certain
>> documents.
>
> I don't understand why you're talking about opinion and widespread. This is
> well documented.
>
>> But if an enduser can see a document, but not open it, the
>> endusers feels as if there are secrets kept from him.
>
> Well that's exactly what it is about! Putting rights so that only some
> people can see some documents means keeping secrets inside so that others
> don't see them. Otherwise just use the default right which is wiki-oriented
> and which allows people to view/edit all documents… ;)
>
>> I want an easier way
>> to hide these documents completey, but show them to other users who are
>> allowed to see them in the same space.
>
> Yes. It's a big change to do but we already discussed this in the past and
> agreed that document names shouldn't be visible when the user doesn't have
> view rights on the document. There might even be a jira issue about this but
> I can't find it. You could create a new one so that we remember it.
>
>> -Expand and collaps user generated panels
>> If I create panels, their initial state is allways open, I can close
> them,
>> but when I go to anothere page, it shows the panels open again. Is it
>> possible to make check box within each panel in the panel wizard that
> allows
>> me to change this?
>
> I thought this was already implemented using cookies but can't find it
> anymore in the code.
>
> Found this in jira:
> http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XE-325
> http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-1308
>
>> Many of these points here may seem irrelevant to many of the longtime
>> developers, but a lot of questions within this userlist have to do with
> the
>> usability.
>> For your understanding, I come from a total different corner then most of
>> you. I come from CM, not from programming.
>> But I think if we can work together on this, Xwiki will gain more users
> in
>> the end.
>> If anyone sees this different, let me know, lets communicate so I can
> start
>> working on the Strip down Guide.
>
> These are interesting questions but I had a different vision for the strip
> down guide. My idea was only to list ways to hide/remove parts of the
> default UI.
>
> I think what Caty mentioned in her response email s interesting, i.e.
> defining some flavors precisely in term of both UI and extensions they
> should contain.
>
> Thanks!
> -Vincent
>
>> And to all you programming masterminds out there, keep up the great work,
> it
>> made Xwiki to that what is today, thank you so much for all the efforts.
>>
>> With Kind regards,
>>
>> Wouter
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