Re: [xwiki-devs] [Discussion] New location of the "Add" menu in the new Flamingo skin

On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: Yes that one looks very cool to me but... :) I wonder if the name would not be better to be "Create". Since, I think we still need an another button in the page called "Add"

add to the page: * annotations using modal (you may select, than use the button normally) * comment using a modal (without having to scroll to the bottom) * attachement using a modal (without having to scroll to the bottom), * objects using a modal (without necessarily needing to load all

objects for edit, so a page could show objects without having to manage addition of new ones, AWSeconds)

This way, the extradoc tabs could be hidden, independently of the comment/attachment functionality, and the pain of scrolling to the bottom is removed.

It give also some logic to those button, with a non-contextual create button, and a contextual add button. We could then allow

to hook both of them depending on their needs. Another, a bit off-topic, remarks, is that in the More actions,

should be isolated, and work like a toggle to display/hide them

the author filter box and the tooltips), without needing to click a seperate checkbox. WDYT ? > > 2014-10-01 10:59 GMT+02:00 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt;gt;: > > > So basically, you want: > > http://tof.canardpc.com/view/25ad0704-563e-41cd-bbf2-72c371912245.jpg > > > > 2014-10-01 10:46 GMT+02:00 vincent(a)massol.net &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt;et>: > > > > > >> > >> On 1 Oct 2014 at 10:09:00, Guillaume Lerouge (guillaume(a)xwiki.com > (mailto: > >> guillaume(a)xwiki.com)) wrote: > >> > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > after discussing with Vincent this morning we came to a suggestion > that > >> > would fix my issue with the current location of the add button. The > idea > >> > would be to move the search bar to the left of the menu, and put

> >> "Add" > >> > button in its place. > >> > > >> > Crude image explanation here: > >> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/hrxlj6n6pztigic/AddButton-Search.png > >> > > >> > This way the "Add" button is back in a global menu, not in a menu

> >> is > >> > contextual to the page, yet it stays very visible. In addition to > this, > >> > since "Create wiki" is visible only to authorized users, it's not

> >> much > >> > in the way. Last item: this solves the issue of having the "Edit"

> >> "More > >> > actions" buttons separated from one another. > >> > > >> > WDYT? > >> > >> Sounds the best to me! :) I never really liked the move of the Create > >> button in the page contextual menu (doesn’t make sense to me). > >> > >> FYI here’s what they have for: > >> - confluence: > >> >

> >> - jira: > >> >

> >> > >> Thanks > >> -Vincent > >> > >> > Guillaume > >> > ᐧ > >> > > >> > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eduard Moraru wrote: > >> > > >> > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Guillaume Lerouge > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Hi, > >> > > > > >> > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > >> > > > valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < > >> > > > > me(a)guillaumelerouge.com&gt; > >> > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Hi, > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)

> >> > > > > > valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < > >> > > > > guillaume(a)xwiki.com&gt; > >> > > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hi Marius, > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea

> >> > > > > > > > mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < > >> > > > > > > guillaume(a)xwiki.com&gt; > >> > > > > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > Hi again, > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Guillaume > >> "Louis-Marie" > >> > > > > > Delhumeau < > >> > > > > > > > > > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Hi Eddy, > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> 2014-09-25 11:59 GMT+02:00 Eduard Moraru < > >> > > > enygma2002(a)gmail.com > >> > > > > >: > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Hi devs, > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > I`m not sure if we already have a discussion > started > >> on > >> > > this > >> > > > > > > topic, > >> > > > > > > > > but > >> > > > > > > > > >> in > >> > > > > > > > > >> > my opinion, it's long overdue. I see people

> >> being > >> > > > > confused > >> > > > > > > and > >> > > > > > > > > >> > questions like this [1] start to be asked. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > The new location of the Add menu in Flamingo is > >> > > problematic > >> > > > > IMO > >> > > > > > > for > >> > > > > > > > a > >> > > > > > > > > >> > various number of reasons: > >> > > > > > > > > >> > - It falsely gives the impression that it adds > >> > > page-related > >> > > > > > > entries > >> > > > > > > > > (i.e. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > related to the current page), due to its current > >> location > >> > > > > (i.e. > >> > > > > > in > >> > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > >> page > >> > > > > > > > > >> > content) > >> > > > > > > > > >> > - It conflicts with AWM`s "Add new Entry" button > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > More generally speaking, this is true for a lot of > >> > > livetables. > >> > > > We > >> > > > > > > would > >> > > > > > > > > > need a generic "Create" button to be available

> >> > > > > instantiate > >> > > > > > a > >> > > > > > > > > > livetable. This could be useful for the wiki index > >> page, for > >> > > > the > >> > > > > > user > >> > > > > > > > > > directory, for all the AWM homepages... > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I guess you like the files live table from the File > >> Manager > >> > > then > >> > > > :) > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> >

> >> > > > > > > > > . Would be interesting to have such a toolbar (with > >> support for > >> > > > > > custom > >> > > > > > > > > buttons) before the live table don't you think? > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > IMO the toolbar's functionality is already covered by the > >> > > 'Actions' > >> > > > > > column > >> > > > > > > in the livetable. The only thing missing is the 'Create' > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I'm not sure this is the same use case. I can see at least

> >> reasons > >> > > > why: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > IMO it's exactly the same use case, the only difference is

> >> the > >> > > > Actions > >> > > > > column was used as an intermediate solution because we didn't > had > >> bulk > >> > > > > actions in livetable (the ability to make multiple entity > >> selection > >> > > > > (checkbox) - that's why we duplicate the entries on each

> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Great, this means that we agree on the fact that the "Actions" > >> column > >> > > > should be replaced by a "Select" column with checkboxes in it,

> >> also > >> > > > that Marius' horizontal livetable toolbar should be expanded

> >> used > >> > > in > >> > > > a generic fashion by all livetables :-) > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > Not completely replaced because not all operations/actions can be > >> performed > >> > > in bulk fashion. Take the 'edit' action and notice that it is a > single > >> > > element action compared to 'delete'. > >> > > > >> > > A different situation exists for the 'rename' action since it is > more > >> of a > >> > > single element action, but can be presented as a bulk action as

> >> if you > >> > > provide some kind of renaming template like '_'. > >> > > > >> > > In other words, both the bulk operations toolbar and the actions > >> column > >> > > have their right place in the livetable IMO and having a checkbox > >> column > >> > > like Marius did for the FM livetable looks like the right way to

> >> > > > >> > > Thanks, > >> > > Eduard > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Guillaume > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks, > >> > > > > Caty > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > 1/ The "create" button would generate a new entry, whereas

> >> > > > "actions" > >> > > > > > column is for actions that are related to individual

> >> that > >> > > > already > >> > > > > > exist > >> > > > > > 2/ The "actions" column can be removed by the livetable > creator > >> > > > > > 3/ The toolbar would also be useful to handle bulk actions

> >> pages > >> > > > such > >> > > > > as > >> > > > > > "delete selected entries" (as in the file manager) > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Best, > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Guillaume > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks, > >> > > > > > > Caty > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Yes and yes :-) > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Guillaume > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Basically the button would let the user create a

> >> item of > >> > > > the > >> > > > > > same > >> > > > > > > > > type > >> > > > > > > > > > than the items displayed in the livetable. Right

> we > >> do > >> > > this > >> > > > > in > >> > > > > > an > >> > > > > > > > > > ad-hoc fashion, so it would be great to have a

> >> > > > solution. > >> > > > > > It's > >> > > > > > > > > also > >> > > > > > > > > > related to the automatic page name generation

> >> (that we > >> > > > > don't > >> > > > > > > > have > >> > > > > > > > > in > >> > > > > > > > > > the core yet, though there's an extensions doing it > >> > > > > > > > > > < > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> >

> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ). > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Guillaume > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > - from my POV, looking at the page from a far,

> >> new > >> > > > > location > >> > > > > > > > looks > >> > > > > > > > > >> > completely randomly selected: > >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- It's not on the left/top (as left-to-right > >> language > >> > > > > specific > >> > > > > > > > brains > >> > > > > > > > > >> are > >> > > > > > > > > >> > trained to follow) > >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not exactly at the top either > >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not at the right > >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not next to the type of elements it

> >> (i.e. > >> > > > next > >> > > > > > to > >> > > > > > > > > >> > WIKI/SPACE/PAGE) > >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it basically is almost in the middle of the > screen > >> > > > > > > > > >> > - etc. (i.e. others that don`t come right now

> >> mind) > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> Personally, I like the fact that it is located

> >> the Edit > >> > > > > > button, > >> > > > > > > > > even > >> > > > > > > > > >> if it does not concern the current page. Because

> >> groups > >> > > the > >> > > > > > most > >> > > > > > > > > basic > >> > > > > > > > > >> and useful actions that you need when you want to > >> > > contribute: > >> > > > > > EDIT, > >> > > > > > > > ADD. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> To me, it makes sense. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > I`d like to open a discussion on this, since

> >> quite an > >> > > > > > > important > >> > > > > > > > > >> aspect > >> > > > > > > > > >> > of the UI and, due to it's shiny green color

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