26 Nov
2008
26 Nov
'08
9:08 p.m.
On Nov 26, 2008, at 8:14 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:
Asiri Rathnayake wrote:
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
If we want all spaces to be preserved, we could set the pre-wrap style
globally, on the whole document (or just on the content). But this
will
cause problems with indented script code, as they generate a lot of
output.
I am still against preserving *visual* spaces in general. This is not
how HTML works. This is not how the web works. On Nov 26, 2008, at 8:28 AM, Asiri Rathnayake
wrote:
Ok, I tried it and it has an effect only when the output is
something like
this :
<table
border="1"><tr><td> hi </td></tr></table>
OR
<table border="1"><tr><td style="white-space:
pre-wrap"> hi
</td></tr></table>
And not when it's like :
<table border="1"><tr><td> hi
</td></tr></table>
So it makes sense to respect white spaces (+1). But whether to use
or
styles is a question. styles seems to be a cleaner way as suggested
by
sergiu.
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Anca Paula Luca
<ancapaula.luca(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
> Vincent Massol wrote:
>> On Nov 25, 2008, at 2:03 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Do we want to honor whitespaces in table cells or not?
>>>
>>> The main advantage of trimming them is to get aligned cell
>>> symbols.
>>>
>>> See http://www.wikicreole.org/wiki/Creole1.0#section-Creole1.0-Tables
>>>
>>> Right now we're honoring whitespaces (they are significant).
>>>
>>> If we want to be consistent with normal wiki text we should
>>> honor
>>> them
>>> since we're honoring spaces in wiki text. However we just need
>>> to
>>> agree that it won't be possible to get nicely aligned cell
>>> delimiters
>>> then.
>>>
>>> WDYT?
>> One consideration. Right now you have to write the following:
>>
>> |cell1|cell2|cell3
>>
>> this is not very readable IMO compared to:
>>
>> | cell1 | cell2 | cell3
>>
>> However right now since whitspaces are honored if you write the
>> latter
>> you'll get:
>>
>> <td> cell1 </td> in XHTML.
> Is there any possibility to trim spaces only around the table
> delimiters
> and
> honor only the spaces inside the text in the tables?
>
I'm leaning towards trimming the surrounding white spaces. One is
that it
allows us to align cell elements and the second is they doesn't
represent
any valuable information. I mean regardless of the existence of
surrounding
white spaces, the output will look the same.
No, and that's the point.
Currently whitespaces are significant and
are taken into account and thus represented. Do we want to do this
just so that MS Word users feel like they are editing a word document,
and not a web page?
Yes. That what all our users have been asking for AFAIK and this is
why we've decided at the beginning that newlines will generate new
lines and not be ignored as with HTML.
Is this our target audience, secretaries that put on
their resumes that they can use MS Office?
I think this is exactly what our users are asking for: "Word on the
Web".
As a developer I personally wouldn't have minded that our Newlines and
spaces were behaving the same as HTML but I thought he had decided
early on that we wanted to display what users typed (i.e. Newlines
honored, spaces honored) since this is what I've heard being asked
for. I much prefer to have this rather than to see WYSIWYG-generated
wiki syntax with a special syntax to force preservation of space
characters and \\ everywhere for newlines.
Anyway I'm open to discussion except that this comes very late, so
close to the final release. It would be very hard to change this now
in time for the release. OTOH if everyone is against honoring white
spaces then we better change it now.
Please let me all know your views quickly.
Thanks
-Vincent