On 11 Feb 2016 at 19:11:43, Thomas Mortagne
(thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com(mailto:thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com)) wrote:
On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:39 PM, vincent(a)massol.net
wrote:
On 11 Feb 2016 at 18:33:57, Thomas Mortagne
(thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com(mailto:thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com)) wrote:
On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Eduard Moraru
wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:10 PM, vincent(a)massol.net
wrote:
> Hi devs,
>
> Now that we’ve voted on the "XWiki Core” concept and that we’ve agreed
> that the xwiki organization on github should focused on offering core
> extensions only (and the rest should be moved to contrib) we need to ensure
> that we use the same terminology everywhere.
>
> I’d like to start updating
xwiki.org accordingly but first I want to be
> sure we agree on the terminology:
>
> * The "XWiki Runtime”: the XWiki WAR that you get from the various
> distributions that you can find on
xwiki.org. It’s a minimalistic runtime
> on top of which you can install Extensions. Documentation for it will be
> available at
http://platform.xwiki.org.
>
The doc for "XWiki Runtime" is available on
platform.xwiki.org (not on
runtime.xwiki.org).... sounds a bit weird to me. Maybe we should create an
alias for runtime, just in case?
Also, the runtime is the result/artefact of building the platform, right?
It`s what you actually get to install, as a user.
I think I would prefer "XWiki Distribution" since that's what it is
after all: some distribution of XWiki and the only one we support.
That's also the naming I started to use on
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/tree/feature-platformdistribution/x…
and I don't want to rename all that :).
For me, the XWiki distributions is a different concept. There are various distributions:
WAR, ZIP, debian, EXE, etc.
The XWiki Runtime is always included in the various distribution. However the
distributions can include other files (for example HSQLDB and Jetty for the ZIP
distribution).
A distribution, as the name implies, is how you distribute something. It doesn’t
represent the runtime (which is included in the various distributions, along with other
things).
For me "distribution" has the same meaning than in Linux world: a
arbitrary choice of stuff put together to make a produce you can use.
It's also the meaning it has in the Distribution Wizard which is to
setup the distribution you installed. WAR, ZIP, DEB, etc. are just
packages of this distribution.
So we have 2 options:
* Option A:
** The "XWiki Runtime"
** "XWiki Distributions": the way the XWiki Runtime is distributed: zip
distribution, debian distribution, exe distribution, etc
** XWiki 7.4.1 <==> XWiki Runtime 7.4.1
* Option B:
** The "XWiki Distribution”
** "XWiki Packagings": the zip packaging, the debian packaging, the exe
packaging, etc
** XWiki 7.4.1 <==> XWiki Distribution 7.4.1
It’s probably because I’m not in the linux world but option A seems less ambiguous to me.
I hope that in option B when you say to someone “download the xwiki distribution” that
it’s understandable that it means they choose the packaging they want and that they do not
answer “which distribution?” (since there’s only one, they shouldn’t ask this! ;)).
I’ll go with whatever the majority chooses.
Thanks
-Vincent
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> >> * “XWiki Core”: Represents the set of XWiki APIs/sources making up the
>> >> "XWiki Platform”.
>> >>
>> > The sources are available in github in the xwiki-commons, xwiki-rendering
>> >> and xwiki-platform repositories. More globally can be meant to
represent
>> >> all the sources found in the xwiki github organization.
>> >>
>> >> * “XWiki Contrib”: Extensions to the "XWiki Runtime”. Located
under the
>> >> xwiki-contrib organization in github.
>> >>
>> >> * The "XWiki Core Development Team” or “XWiki Core Team”
(previously
>> >> called "XWiki Development Team"): the list of committers of
the “xwiki"
>> >> github organization.
>> >>
>> >> * “XWiki Platform”: synonymous for “XWiki Core”. Since “XWiki
Platform”
>> >> could also represent the xwiki-platform github repository, it’s better
to
>> >> use “XWiki Core” when wanting to name the full content of the xwiki
github
>> >> organization. For example: “The XWiki Core Development Team works on
XWiki
>> >> Core”…
>> >>
>> >
>> > But we will still be saying that XWiki is a "platform" on which
you can
>> > build your stuff, right?
>> >
>> > I would prefer not to mix the 2 terms, "Platform" and
"Core", since IMO
>> > "Core" includes "Platform", but not necessarily the
other way around.
>> > Remember that commons and rendering are theoretically stand-alone projects
>> > which are not directly connected to XWiki. The Platform works with the
>> > rendering and commons to produce its artefacts but I would no go as far as
>> > to say that it also includes them and would prefer to use "XWiki
Core" for
>> > that part.
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> * “Flavor”: a set of Extensions (usually with a purpose) that can be
>> >> installed all together in a XWiki Runtime or when creating a subwiki
inside
>> >> the XWiki Runtime.
>> >>
>> >> * The “Default Flavor”: the unique flavor provided by the “XWiki Core
>> >> Development Team”. Contrib projects and more generally anyone else can
>> >> contribute other flavors on
extensions.xwiki.org. These flavors will
>> >> appear in the XWiki Platform when you first run it or when you create a
new
>> >> subwiki. The Default Flavor is going to replace “XWiki Enterprise”
(and
>> >>
enterprise.xwiki.org will be removed and folded into
platform.xwiki.org
-
>> >> the same will happen for xwiki-enterprise which will be folded into
>> >> xwiki-platform in github)
>> >>
>> >> * “XWiki Committers” or “XWiki Team". Vague terms that represent
the full
>> >> set of committers of both the xwiki and xwiki-contrib github
organizations.
>> >>
>> >> * “XWiki N.P”. Shortcut for the “XWiki Runtime” version N.P (e.g.
“XWiki
>> >> 7.4.1”).
>> >>
>> >
>> > Will probably also be synonymous with "Default Flavor" version
N.P since it
>> > will be synchronized with the "XWiki Runtime".
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> * The “XWiki Project”. Generic term that includes the work done by
XWiki
>> >> Contrib Committers, XWiki Core Committers and by extensions the work
done
>> >> by the full community of contributors to both xwiki and xwiki-contrib
>> >> github organizations.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Do you agree with this? Any other terms that we should define?
>> >>
>> >
>> > Generally +1 (with the above mentions).
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Eduard
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Once agreed I’ll kickstart the work by updating
xwiki.org pages by
>> >> creating a Terminology page and update some existing pages. However
it’ll
>> >> be up to everyone to follow the terminology.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> -Vincent