19 Sep
2013
19 Sep
'13
11:43 a.m.
Hi,
This looks good. I have a comment though on the "User index". I'm sorry if
this was already discussed.
My first reaction was that it's not really telling me what it is. I suppose
it's the "User Directory". Maybe my english is wrong, but why not just
calling it "User Directory" like it is right now.
I suppose the reason is to have "Document Index" followed by "User
Index",
but I don't think it's the same thing.
Ludovic
2013/9/18 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com>
You can see some screenshots in the JIRA:
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475
Thanks,
LM
2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <fabio.mancinelli(a)xwiki.com>
navigating
(which
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admi…
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249…
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
both
in
a
> >> > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has
more
> >> > content.
> >> > > It does not look good.
> >> >
> >>
> >> In the proposal there is
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
in
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
> >> in
> >> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(pro…
just
organization
their
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal…
should I
be
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Men…
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On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume
"Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
<gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> Indeed, the proposal A was based on
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
of
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu .
Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
Let me recap:
- Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
- Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
- Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
- Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
- Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
I like both B and E.
I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis
are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the
main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I
understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where
to put this menu.
What I don't like of E is just the "home" label.
Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that
menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki.
I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of
the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space).
Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution.
-Fabio
--
About E:
Some issues IMHO:
- The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and
when you are in the subwiki.
- Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users
and
the applications of the home wiki when you are in
the subwiki? Can't it
be
> confusing?
>
> Thanks,
> Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
>
>
>
> 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
>
>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > You forgot one proposal which I like:
>> >
>> > == Proposal D ==
>> >
>> > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left)
>> > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki
>> > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow > >
either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other
wikis
> > * It could be done by showing a menu
arrow when the mouse hover over
the
> > logo and when the mouse moves over the
arrow, show a menu with first
> entry
> > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second
entry with
> "Wiki
> > Index" for example.
> >
> > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the
logo
as
>> > a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > -Vincent
>> >
>> > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <
>> > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi developers.
>> > >
>> > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate
>> Workspace
>> > in
>> > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
>> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when
>> > Workspaces
>> > > activated".
>> > >
>> > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2
was
>> > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull
request. I
> have
> > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
> > >
> > > == Proposal A ==
> > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
> > > Logged as admin:
> > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > > Not logged as admin:
> > >
> >
>
> >
>
> > > You can get it from this commit:
> > >
> >
>
> >
> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
> > >
> >
>
> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
>
> In your screenshot is:
> * Home
> ** Administer Main Wiki
> ** Wiki Directory
>
> What it was proposed:
> * Home
> ** Administration
> ** Wikis Index
> ** ....
>
>
>
>
>
> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as:
> - "Administration"
> or
> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home"
> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
>
>
> > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
current
> > menus:
> > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we
are
>> in
>> > a
>> > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
>> >
>>
>> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate > the
current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
>
>
> > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the
current
>> > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a
"main" and
>> > several
>> > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could
imagine, the
>> > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between
>> "main"
>> > > and "sub", but where we have an independent
"system" that allows
the
>> > users
>> > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call
the
> menu
> > > "System" or "XWiki".
> >
>
> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and
"wiki". The menu
displays
> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space >
Page and is also consistent with
the
>> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
>>
>> > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have
>
>
>
Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could
also
> list for example the "Users Index"
a.k.a the "User Directory"
(especially
>> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located the
>> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to
have a
>> consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
>>
>> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the
submenu,
> we
> >> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
> >>
> >>
> >> > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main
wiki"
> twice:
> >> > once
> >> > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
> >> > > - The left menu has too many items.
> >> >
> >>
> >> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from
> >> * Menu in the (sub)wiki
>
>
>
>
>
> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
content'
> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
>
>
> > >
> > > == Proposal B ==
> > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2,
so
we
> > > started to iterate until having
this proposal:
> > >
> >
>
> >
> B).
> > >
> > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left
> side,
> > we
> > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually
> > achieve
> > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer",
"Delete"
or
>> > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that,
it > >
> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a
> > "System"
> > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we
put
>> it
>> > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less
>> confusing.
>> >
>>
>> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content >
hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page.
> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User".
The
> "Content" part allows you to create
new content and to see your
location in
> the content hierarchy. The right menu is
dedicated to User related
actions.
>>
>> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize
>> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it > own.
>
>
> > >
> > > == Proposal C ==
> > > We had also this idea:
> > >
> >
>
){kind=link}
> >
> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main
Wiki"
>> > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like
>> > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
>> >
>>
>> Crowded and serves as a double function.
>>
>>
>> > >
>> > > ---
>> > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What
> do?
> > Do
> > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes,
because he
>> > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still
> >
changed
> > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
> > >
> > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
> > >
> > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
> > > Current implementation:
> > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > > Mockup with the new skin:
> > >
> >
>
>> > >
>> > > B - "XWiki" right menu:
>> > >
>>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
>> > >
>> > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
>> > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
> >
>
> > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
> > regarding
> > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must
have
a
> > consensus for the RC1!
> >
> > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
> > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
> > -1 for proposal C.
> >
>
So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
(Wiki / (sub)wiki)
* Home
** Administration
** ---
** Wikis Index/Directory
** Documents Index
(Home/mainwiki)
* Home
** Watch Home
** Administer Home
** ---
** Wikis Index
** Documents Index
Thanks,
Caty
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