Re: [xwiki-devs] [Idea] Sponsoring issues

Hi devs, Reviving this thread since I`ve stumbled upon this again while looking for Fundry alternatives after a user asked on IRC for ways to donate to the XWiki project. The stats [1] on this website look promising and, since the vote was positive on this matter, I suggest we go ahead and install the JIRA plugin [2] that adds the link to sponsor an issue. While going again through the website`s documentation, it`s very clear that this is not a way to sponsor the project, but only to sponsor particular issues and the developer that implements them. This way we have no issues with the lack of an XWiki foundation for receiving money, since it's the particular dev that gets the money. Also, this is not a complete solution to the sponsorship/donations issue, as other solutions can be implemented along side it (e.g. actually donating to the project, maybe through a foundation), but it is IMO a good first step into accepting financial contributions from the community. As an added bonus, since contrib projects can use XWiki's jira as well, this means that contrib projects can also benefit from this and have sponsored issues. Thanks, Eduard ---------- [1] https://freedomsponsors.org/stats/ [2] https://github.com/freedomsponsors/freedomsponsors-jira-plugin On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Eduard Moraru wrote: > From Vincent's link[1], I see that this is intended, as it is actually the > system's philosophy which is OK in theory, but it is also obvious that it > can be abused. > > "Once the issue is officially solved the sponsors can verify whether their > problem is really gone (according to the established criteria) and pay the > developer - otherwise they can just walk away. > > *This is very important*: there is nothing on the system forcing anybody > to pay anything. There are no escrows and no pre-paid credits whatsoever. > This is not an implementation detail – it’s by philosophy. > > The whole thing is *voluntary* to begin with. We want sponsors to pay the > developers because they feel grateful for their work, tipically after their > problem is actually solved." > > Of course, if they did try to handle this issue technically, it would have > been pretty complex to decide when the task was complete according to the > sponsor's intention and established criteria. I guess they preferred to > have a (hypothetical) frustrated dev that was expecting a payoff for an > issue rather than having a (hypothetical) frustrated sponsor that payed for > something that was not quite what he wanted :) > > Anyway, I still think it would not hurt to try it and see how it goes. > > Thanks, > Eduard > > ---------- > [1] http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/about/ > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Ludovic Dubost wrote: > >> Isn't there a control mecanism once the person ready to fix it says "start >> working on it" ? >> At that point if the site does not block the money then it's risky >> >> Ludovic >> >> >> 2013/3/5 Eduard Moraru >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > Yes, I really like the fact that it's integrated with jira and that >> > everything is contextualized. >> > >> > However, I am a bit reserved about the success it is going to have, >> since, >> > AFAIU, there is nothing stopping people from spam-funding issues they >> want >> > fixed, but in the end decide that they are not going to fund any of the >> > work that has been done. Hope that will not be the case and that devs >> will >> > be aware of this possibility and will primarily do it for the fun :) >> > >> > Anyway, I like the idea and I`m definitely +1 for trying it out. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Eduard >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Vincent Massol >> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >> valicac(a)gmail.com >> > > >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > This seams very similar to Sergiu's ideas some time ago when we >> tried >> > > > with Fundry. >> > > >> > > Indeed, the idea is the same but the implementation different and I >> think >> > > the link from the jira issue can make a difference. >> > > >> > > Thanks >> > > -Vincent >> > > >> > > > >> > > > Thanks, >> > > > Caty >> > > > >> > > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Thomas Mortagne >> > > > wrote: >> > > >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Vincent Massol > >> > >> > > wrote: >> > > >>> >> > > >>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Thomas Mortagne < >> > thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com&gt; >> > > wrote: >> > > >>> >> > > >>>> Looks interesting. >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> But who get the money exactly ? >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Anyone who implements what's asked. >> > > >> >> > > >> +1 then >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> See http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/about/ for details. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> -Vincent >> > > >>> >> > > >>>> Can contributors be assigned to issues >> > > >>>> or is it only for the project itself (in that case it's not >> going to >> > > >>>> be very simple since we don't have any entity yet) ? >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Vincent Massol < >> vincent(a)massol.net&gt; >> > > wrote: >> > > >>>>> Hi devs, >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> WDYT of doing like Jenkins is doing and adding a "Sponsor this >> > > issue" button on JIRA? >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> For example: >> > > >>>>> https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-9030 >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> When you click it redirects to >> > > >>>>> >> > > >> > >> http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/login/?next=/core/issue/sponsor%3Ftrack… >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> You can check >> > > >>>>> http://www.freedomsponsors.org/ >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> It could be interesting to try it and see how it goes. >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> WDYT? >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> Thanks >> > > >>>>> -Vincent