30 Jun
2016
30 Jun
'16
12:55 p.m.
Tour - some problems:
- Apparently making it hidden, makes it disappear from the Tour Livetable;
- Even if we mark the Homepage Tour as visible, in the Navigation panel we
still see Tour.WebHome
So, we either:
1. make as hidden all Tour instances + homepage (in order to not see it
from the Navigation panel) = in this case we consider the Tour app to be a
technical app (meant to help the user, but not user content)
2. leave them as is, but in this case, by default, users will see an
additional space (Tour) + the Homepage Tour instance (which contains CSS
selectors and steps)
I would go with 1.
Thanks,
Caty
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
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On 30 Jun 2016, at 11:33, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Questions about the Homepage Tour:
A. Should the Homepage Tour page be hidden or not? (I would say hidden -
since it doesn't have content created by the user, it's some help to get
him started - he is able to dismiss it and not be bothered by it, so nit
sure why he should see it everytime in the Navigation panel)
B. Should we display the Tours app in AppBar? (I would say no - we tried
to
limit to Blog/Dashboard/Sandbox which make sense
for the end-user, but
Tour
could be something interesting just for Admins).
WDTY?
A - hidden (displayed in the tour app LT)
B - No listed by default in the App panel
Thanks
-Vincent
Caty
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Could be also xwiki-enterprise-ui-help/xwiki-enterprise-ui-help-tour :)
> but for now I'm ok with xwiki-enterprise-tours. We will add more module
> structure when/if we will need.
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>> On 30 Jun 2016, at 11:16, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would put it in xwiki-enterprise-ui-help (xwiki-enterprise-ui-tour
is
>> a
>>> solution too, although I would prefer to have a more generic module
that
>>> could have Tips&Tricks, maybe
some local documentation, etc.) In the
>> future
>>> we might add Tours for other use cases (like Managing Users,
Customizing
>>> the Look&Feel, etc.) (and they
are not really module dependent, since
>> they
>>> could span multiple modules, Homepage tour for example showcases
Panels,
>>> Web Templates, etc.)
>>>
>>> xwiki-enterprise-ui-mainwiki should have a dependency to
>>> xwiki-entreprise-ui-help (or -tour). In the 'farm' case I think we
need
>> to
>>> provide a custom tour that emphases the isolation or particular
actions
>> and
>>> if we really want to put it in commons we need to particularly check
the
>>> 'farm' case, since it would
be annoying to have the tour launch every
>> time
>>> you create a new subwiki.
>>> I'm fine to put the dependency in xwiki-enterprise-ui-commons for 8.2,
>> but
>>> we will need to fix it to cover the 'farm’.
>>
>> FTR I’m also fine with xwiki-enterprise-ui-help if the majority thinks
>> it’s better than xwiki-enterprise-ui-tour. Note that it makes a bit
harder
>> to reuse in other flavors if it’s less
specific (ie imagine that the
flavor
>> wants only to reuse the tour and not
other stuff).
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Caty
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 30 Jun 2016, at 10:29, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30 Jun 2016, at 10:16, Guillaume Delhumeau <
>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would put it in xwiki-enterprise-ui-tour(s) so we can easily
>> isolate
>>>> it
>>>>>> and other flavors can re-use it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed that’s a good point.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, since the home page tour is not related to the home page
>>>> content (correct?) and it’s just related to the skin, I think I would
>> even
>>>> put it in platform in the Help module (or better, in a submodule of
the
>>>> Help module:
xwiki-platform-help-tour, and move xwiki-platform-help
as
>>>> xwiki-platform-help-syntax).
>>>>>
>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>
>>>> Hmm I retract this idea… The issue is that platform should not have a
>>>> dependency on the tour app even if it’s an indirect one.
>>>>
>>>> So +1 for xwiki-enterprise-ui-tour.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -Vincent
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2016-06-30 9:45 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Alex,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 28 Jun 2016, at 13:43, Alexandru Cotiuga <
>>>> alexandru.cotiuga(a)xwiki.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> According to the new decided strategy in
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
http://markmail.org/search/?q=[xwiki-devs]+[VOTE]+New+Strategy+for+the+XWik…
>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>> third-party extensions can by bundled in XWiki
Enterprise. In
some
>>>> cases,
>>>>>>>> we would need some content from those extension to be
available
at
>>>> build
>>>>>>>> time. Where could we put it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Taking the Tour Application's example, which It is
about to be
>> added
>>>> in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> dependency management of xwiki-enterprise and inherited
in
>>>>>>>>
xwiki-enterprise/xwiki-enterprise-ui/xwiki-enterprise-ui-commons,
>> we
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>> have the following options:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) xwiki-enterprise-ui-commons as a space Tours
>>>>>>>> 2) xwiki-enterprise-ui-wiki as a space Tours
>>>>>>>> 3) xwiki-enterprise-ui-mainwiki as a space Tours
>>>>>>>> 4) in a new child module of xwiki-enterprise.ui (looks
like
"help"
>>>>>>> keyword
>>>>>>>> would make sense: xwiki-enterprise-ui-help) which could
be used
for
>>>>>>> future
>>>>>>>> cases
>>>>>>>> 5) in a new child module of xwiki-enterprise-ui having a
specific
>> name
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> tours.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indeed the Homepage tour should be part of the XE flavor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The question is:
>>>>>>> Do we want the tour to start on each subwiki home page?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My opinion:
>>>>>>> * We should have the tour running on subwiki home pages only
when
>> the
>>>>>>> subwiki is an isolated wiki (ie not in the use case of
xwiki.org
>> for
>>>>>>> example but yes for the use case of myxwiki.org for
example).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So if we say that the homepage should be present for both
main
wiki
>> and
>>>>>>> subwiki (and only triggered in some cases for subwikis) then
it
>> makes
>>>> sense
>>>>>>> to have it in 1) (and not in 2) or 3)).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We could do 4) or 5) in the future if there’s a need but for
now
I’d
>> say
>>>>> 1).
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>
>>>>>> Could we decide a new rule for this topic?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Alex
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