Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

yes, the 'Index' was proposed in order to have consistency between the entries: 'Documents Index', 'Users Index', 'Applications Index', 'Wikis Index', etc. (Obs. the Applications Index is not yet implemented, but the entry should provide a livetable that allows filtering for entries of a certain type: documents, users, wikis, etc.) the alternative was to have 'Documents Directory', 'Users Directory', 'Applications Directory', 'Wikis Directory'. I think that the 'Index' version is much shorter than the 'Directory', while having a more generic meaning. Alternatives: 'List', etc. Just for the record, the proposal uses the "plural" form of the entities. It would be great if an english speaker could give its opinion on the correct form.

Thanks, Caty On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: > 2013/9/19 Ludovic Dubost &lt;ludovic(a)xwiki.com&gt; > >> Hi, >> >> This looks good. I have a comment though on the "User index". I'm sorry > if >> this was already discussed. >> >> My first reaction was that it's not really telling me what it is. I > suppose >> it's the "User Directory". Maybe my english is wrong, but why not just >> calling it "User Directory" like it is right now. >> >> I suppose the reason is to have "Document Index" followed by "User > Index", >> but I don't think it's the same thing. >> > > Yes, the idea was to have a consistency between names in the menu. Is

> true Caty? > > But my english is not good enough to say if it is correct or not... > > >> >> Ludovic >> >> >> 2013/9/18 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau &lt;gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; >> >>> You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: >>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475 >>> >>> Thanks, >>> LM >>> >>> >>> 2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli &lt;fabio.mancinelli(a)xwiki.com&gt; >>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau >>>> &lt;gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>> Indeed, the proposal A was based on >>>>> >>> >> >

>>>>> of > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu. >>>>> >>>>> Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. >>>>> >>>>> Let me recap: >>>>> >>>>> - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". >>>>> >>>>> - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu >>>>> >>>>> - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu >>>>> >>>>> - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. >>>>> >>>>> - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I like both B and E. >>>> >>>> I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the > wikis >>>> are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since > the >>>> main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I >>>> understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where >>>> to put this menu. >>>> >>>> What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. >>>> Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that >>>> menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki. >>>> >>>> I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of >>>> the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). >>>> Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution. >>>> >>>> -Fabio >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> About E: >>>>> Some issues IMHO: >>>>> - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki >> and >>>>> when you are in the subwiki. >>>>> - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the >> users >>>> and >>>>> the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? > Can't >> it >>>> be >>>>> confusing? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol < > vincent(a)massol.net >>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> You forgot one proposal which I like: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> == Proposal D == >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) >>>>>>> * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current >> wiki >>>>>>> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow >>> navigating >>>>>>> either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of > other >>>> wikis >>>>>>> * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover >> over >>>> the >>>>>>> logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with >> first >>>>>> entry >>>>>>> = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry >> with >>>>>> "Wiki >>>>>>> Index" for example. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What I like with this is that the user is already used to use > the >>>> logo as >>>>>>> a way to navigate to the home of wiki. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < >>>>>>> gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi developers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate >>>>>> Workspace >>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: >>>>>>>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements > when >>>>>>> Workspaces >>>>>>>> activated". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 >>> (which >>>> was >>>>>>>> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull >>> request. I >>>>>> have >>>>>>>> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> == Proposal A == >>>>>>>> There is some screenshots (Proposal A): >>>>>>>> Logged as admin: >>>>>>>> >>>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>>>>>>> Not logged as admin: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can get it from this commit: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

>>>>>>>> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal >>>>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >>>>>> >>>>>> In your screenshot is: >>>>>> * Home >>>>>> ** Administer Main Wiki >>>>>> ** Wiki Directory >>>>>> >>>>>> What it was proposed: >>>>>> * Home >>>>>> ** Administration >>>>>> ** Wikis Index >>>>>> ** .... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

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>>>>>> >>>>>> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of >>>> content' >>>>>> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> == Proposal B == >>>>>>>> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in >> 5.2M2, >>>> so we >>>>>>>> started to iterate until having this proposal: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

>>>>>>>> B). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the >> left >>>>>> side, >>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can >> actually >>>>>>> achieve >>>>>>>> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", >> "Delete" >>>> or >>>>>>>> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, > it >>> just >>>>>>>> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's >> more a >>>>>>> "System" >>>>>>>> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's > why >> we >>>> put >>>>>> it >>>>>>>> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less >>>>>> confusing. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content >>> organization >>>>>> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. >>>>>> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || >> User". >>>> The >>>>>> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your >>>> location in >>>>>> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related >>>> actions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to >> customize >>>>>> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it >>> their >>>>>> own. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> == Proposal C == >>>>>>>> We had also this idea: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

>>>>>>>> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the >> "Main >>>> Wiki" >>>>>>>> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions > like >>>>>>>> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Crowded and serves as a double function. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What >>> should I >>>>>> do? >>>>>>> Do >>>>>>>> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, >>>> because he >>>>>>>> wanted to have something to show to the community that can > still >>> be >>>>>>> changed >>>>>>>> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): >>>>>>>> Current implementation: >>>>>>>> >>>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>>>>>>> Mockup with the new skin: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

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