Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

2013/9/19 Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> It is already the case when you are in the main wiki and you have subwikis (in my current proposal).

> If we were to remove "Space:" and "Page:" prefixes then I'd be +1. Right > now I'm more +0. > > Thanks > -Vincent > >> 2013/9/18 Denis Gervalle &lt;dgl(a)softec.lu&gt; >> >>> Looking at the screenshots, I was wondering if we shouldn't use the same >>> "HOME" label for the single wiki case, since the wiki name has no real >>> meaning, and it could became the home of a workspace environment, or of > a >>> multiwiki farm. This would make it more consistent over time, than > having >>> the "Wiki: xwiki" changing to "HOME" when a subwiki is created. I am > only >>> talking about the menu label here, not the content. >>> >>> WDYT ? >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < >>> gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: >>>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475 >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> LM >>>> >>>> >>>> 2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli &lt;fabio.mancinelli(a)xwiki.com&gt; >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau >>>>> &lt;gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>> Indeed, the proposal A was based on >>>>>> >>>> >>> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead >>>>>> of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > . >>>>>> >>>>>> Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let me recap: >>>>>> >>>>>> - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". >>>>>> >>>>>> - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu >>>>>> >>>>>> - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu >>>>>> >>>>>> - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I like both B and E. >>>>> >>>>> I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis >>>>> are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the >>>>> main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I >>>>> understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where >>>>> to put this menu. >>>>> >>>>> What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. >>>>> Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that >>>>> menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki. >>>>> >>>>> I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of >>>>> the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). >>>>> Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution. >>>>> >>>>> -Fabio >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> About E: >>>>>> Some issues IMHO: >>>>>> - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki >>> and >>>>>> when you are in the subwiki. >>>>>> - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the >>> users >>>>> and >>>>>> the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't >>> it >>>>> be >>>>>> confusing? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net >>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You forgot one proposal which I like: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> == Proposal D == >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) >>>>>>>> * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current >>> wiki >>>>>>>> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow >>>> navigating >>>>>>>> either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other >>>>> wikis >>>>>>>> * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover >>> over >>>>> the >>>>>>>> logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with >>> first >>>>>>> entry >>>>>>>> = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry >>> with >>>>>>> "Wiki >>>>>>>> Index" for example. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the >>>>> logo as >>>>>>>> a way to navigate to the home of wiki. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < >>>>>>>> gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi developers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate >>>>>>> Workspace >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: >>>>>>>>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when >>>>>>>> Workspaces >>>>>>>>> activated". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 >>>> (which >>>>> was >>>>>>>>> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull >>>> request. I >>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> == Proposal A == >>>>>>>>> There is some screenshots (Proposal A): >>>>>>>>> Logged as admin: >>>>>>>>> >>>>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>>>>>>>> Not logged as admin: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admi… >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can get it from this commit: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249… >>>>>>>>> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal >>>>>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In your screenshot is: >>>>>>> * Home >>>>>>> ** Administer Main Wiki >>>>>>> ** Wiki Directory >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What it was proposed: >>>>>>> * Home >>>>>>> ** Administration >>>>>>> ** Wikis Index >>>>>>> ** .... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: >>>>>>> - "Administration" >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" >>>>>>> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the >>>>> current >>>>>>>> menus: >>>>>>>>> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when >>> we >>>>> are >>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate >>>> both >>>>>>> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the >>>>> current >>>>>>>>> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" >>> and >>>>>>>> several >>>>>>>>> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, >>>> in >>>>> the >>>>>>>>> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction >>> between >>>>>>> "main" >>>>>>>>> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows >>>> the >>>>>>>> users >>>>>>>>> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call >>>> the >>>>>>> menu >>>>>>>>> "System" or "XWiki". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu >>>>> displays >>>>>>> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent >>> with >>>>> the >>>>>>> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only >>> have >>>> a >>>>>>>>> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has >>> more >>>>>>>> content. >>>>>>>>> It does not look good. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the proposal there is >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>>>> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we >>> could >>>>> also >>>>>>> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" >>>>> (especially >>>>>>> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located >>>> in >>>>> the >>>>>>> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have >>> a >>>>>>> consistency between the index/directory applications naming. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the >>>> submenu, >>>>> we >>>>>>> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home >>> (mainwiki)). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" >>>>> twice: >>>>>>>> once >>>>>>>>> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >>>>>>>>> - The left menu has too many items. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from >>>>>>> * Menu in the (sub)wiki >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of >>>>> content' >>>>>>> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> == Proposal B == >>>>>>>>> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in >>> 5.2M2, >>>>> so we >>>>>>>>> started to iterate until having this proposal: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(pro… >>>>>>>>> B). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the >>> left >>>>>>> side, >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can >>> actually >>>>>>>> achieve >>>>>>>>> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", >>> "Delete" >>>>> or >>>>>>>>> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it >>>> just >>>>>>>>> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's >>> more a >>>>>>>> "System" >>>>>>>>> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why >>> we >>>>> put >>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less >>>>>>> confusing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content >>>> organization >>>>>>> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. >>>>>>> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || >>> User". >>>>> The >>>>>>> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your >>>>> location in >>>>>>> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related >>>>> actions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to >>> customize >>>>>>> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it >>>> their >>>>>>> own. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> == Proposal C == >>>>>>>>> We had also this idea: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal… >>>>>>>>> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the >>> "Main >>>>> Wiki" >>>>>>>>> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like >>>>>>>>> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Crowded and serves as a double function. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What >>>> should I >>>>>>> do? >>>>>>>> Do >>>>>>>>> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, >>>>> because he >>>>>>>>> wanted to have something to show to the community that can still >>>> be >>>>>>>> changed >>>>>>>>> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): >>>>>>>>> Current implementation: >>>>>>>>> >>>>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>>>>>>>> Mockup with the new skin: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Men… >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> B - "XWiki" right menu: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: >>>>>>>>> >>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, >>>>>>>> regarding >>>>>>>>> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We >>> must >>>>> have >>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> consensus for the RC1! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). >>>>>>>>> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). >>>>>>>>> -1 for proposal C. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: >>>>>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (Wiki / (sub)wiki) >>>>>>> * Home >>>>>>> ** Administration >>>>>>> ** --- >>>>>>> ** Wikis Index/Directory >>>>>>> ** Documents Index >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (Home/mainwiki) >>>>>>> * Home >>>>>>> ** Watch Home >>>>>>> ** Administer Home >>>>>>> ** --- >>>>>>> ** Wikis Index >>>>>>> ** Documents Index >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Caty