12 Sep
2011
12 Sep
'11
9:20 p.m.
Hi Caty and all,
On Sep 12, 2011, at 6:35 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
Sounds good and a very nice improvement. It does fix a few of the issues. Some remain
outstanding.
Thanks
-Vincent
Hi Vincent,
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 16:04, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Thanks for reminding me. I wasn't sure if we had dropped the "old" way of
doing this. I personally don't like it too much when there are different ways of
achieving the same result but this was probably left to preserve backward compatibility.
BTW I check the documentation on xwiki.org about changing the logo and:
1) it's not very to find this information IMO
2) I could only find explanations about how to do that using a custom skin and not using a
color theme.
It's not even mentioned on
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Color+Theme+Application :(
I've found that developers usually develop new feature and forget to update the
documentation. That's a problem.
See below for more comments.
Hi devs,
I've just installed a new wiki with someone (an xwiki newbie) and realized
that we have some usability issues. I'm listing just one below to start
with.
Usability issue #1: Color theme usage
Story:
* A user wants to change the logo
* First he has to know it's done in the Color theme but let's imagine that
this is fine… (although it's not since Color theme means changing colors,
not the logo…)
The logo can be changed also from XWiki.DefaultSkin * He click on
"customize" for the Color Theme then realizes that he wants
his own color theme (for ex because he doesn't want that a future upgrade
overwrites his theme)
* He clicks on manager color themes
* He sees the "create new color theme" and use it. However he finds that
the new color theme isn't the same as the color theme he wants to use as the
basis for the new color theme (btw the new color theme should be the default
color theme IMO and not a different one as it is now).
* Then he's stuck because the doesn't offer the possibility to copy an
existing theme
* Imagine that he understands that he can go a color theme page and click
the copy action…
* He goes there clicks copy, he finds that he wants to copy in a new space
but he cannot (this is fixed in 3.2 I think so cool). He copies in the new
space.
* Then he edits the new color theme, finds the way to set the logo
* He sees a field where he has to enter information and doesn't see how to
upload his logo. Reading more carefully the text he understand that he has
to cancel the edit, go to the attachment tab, upload the logo, edit again,
edit the header again and there he's stuck again because he doesn't remember
the name of his logo. So he has to do it all again this time copy pasting
his logo name
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XE-695
* Then he saves his modifications
* .. and realizes that nothing is happening: the displayed theme is still
the same as before. He hits refresh (because he's a clever guy!) and finds
it doesn't help
* Then someone points to him that he has to go back to the admin, click on
presentation and sets the color theme to use to be his new color theme.
* So he does this and finds that his new color theme doesn't appear in the
list but OTOH there are 2 color themes with the same name
There is http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-6743 but it's for Rename action.
* Then someone mentions to him that it's
because he hasn't changed the
title of this copied page...
Ideas for improving this experience:
* In the Admin>L&F>Presentation screen, next to "customize", add a
new
button "Create new colortheme".
* In the new color theme page screen, add the possibility to copy from an
existing theme *AND* that sets the new title!
My main problem regarding Administration components is why it is necessary
to mix them. There are thing that can be done only from the Administration
interface and other that redirects you to other parts, like the Color
Themes, like Search Suggest (
http://localhost:8080/xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/SearchSuggestConfig).
The question is why are ColorThemes outside the Administration. Some Admins
want only them to be able to customize the way the wiki looks&feels, others
maybe will want in the future to be able to have settings per user (in the
direction we already did with Personal Dashboard).
I've made a proposal that integrates Color Themes management inside the
Administration
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ColorThemesProposal
The select is replaced only by "Use this theme" link. This way even if you
have Color Themes that have the same title, the preview will help the user
to find his theme.
When hovering the items you will get the actions: edit, copy, delete
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/ColorThemesPro…
You can see the proposal partially in action at
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ColorThemesAdminis…
* In color
theme edit mode, add the capability to select the logo using the
widget used in the user profile to select/upload images
* When saving the new color theme, go back automatically to the admin page
from where the user clicked on "create new colortheme" and set the newly
created theme as the selected them
* The user press save and he's done
WDYT?
In addition to all this we should probably rename Color Theme into
something else to make it more clear that it's not just about colors (or
move the logo out). Also it's probably not very clear what's the difference
between color themes and skins.
I've added some hint text, but it can be improved.
Thanks,
Caty
>
> Note: I really did all those steps mentioned above in the story and it was
> a real pain from a newbie user POV.
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent