Hi,
2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com>
I would say: it depends.
In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different persons
will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else will
administrate main wiki.
In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to administrate main
wiki without having to browse to main wiki, because I may find myself
wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a subwiki
merely to manage users allowed in this subwiki ... and, yes, install
extensions and choose a color theme.
To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any issue
with navigating through wikis, administering this or that etc ... The only
thing I would miss, are some quick links to switch to a wiki or the other
(instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but this
kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis.
I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked the
idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage, and
nothing else.
Thanks,
Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
> You forgot one proposal which I like:
>
> == Proposal D ==
>
> * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left)
> * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki
> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating
> either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis
> * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over
the
logo and
when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first
entry
= "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki"
if you prefer) and a second entry with
"Wiki
> Index" for example.
>
> What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo
as
a way to
navigate to the home of wiki.
Thanks
-Vincent
On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <
gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> Hi developers.
>
> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate
Workspace
> in
> > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
> >
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when
> Workspaces
> > activated".
> >
> > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which
was
>
scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I
have
> > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
> >
> > == Proposal A ==
> > There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
> > Logged as admin:
> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admi…
You can get it from this commit:
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249…
(except that I have changed the wiki icon for this
screenshot)
So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
In your screenshot is:
* Home
** Administer Main Wiki
** Wiki Directory
What it was proposed:
* Home
** Administration
** Wikis Index
** ....
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
>
> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as:
> - "Administration"
> or
> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home"
> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
> > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
current
> > menus:
> > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are
> in
> > a
> > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
>
> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both
> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
> > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the
current
> > wiki, space and page? The fact that
there is actually a "main" and
> several
> > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in
the
> > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between
> "main"
> > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system"
that allows the
> > users
> > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the
> menu
> > > "System" or "XWiki".
>
> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home"
and "wiki". The menu
displays
> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the
> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
>
> > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a
> > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more
> > content.
> > > It does not look good.
>
> In the proposal there is
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
Although this is not currently implemented, the
idea is that we could
also
list for example the "Users Index"
a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially
since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in
the
main wiki). In the proposal I've used "
*** Index" in order to have a
consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu,
we
> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
> > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main
wiki" twice:
> > once
> > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
> > > - The left menu has too many items.
>
> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from
> * Menu in the (sub)wiki
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
> in
> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
>
> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of content'
> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
> > >
> > > == Proposal B ==
> > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so
we
> > > started to iterate until having this proposal:
> > >
>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(pro…
> B).
>
> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left
side,
> we
> > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually
> achieve
> > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer",
"Delete" or
> > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just
> > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a
> "System"
> > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we
put
> it
> > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less
> confusing.
>
> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization
> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page.
> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User".
The
"Content" part allows you to create new
content and to see your location
in
the content hierarchy. The right menu is
dedicated to User related
actions.
>
> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize
> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their
> own.
> > >
> > > == Proposal C ==
> > > We had also this idea:
> > >
>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal…
> > But we didn't like it, because the
"Wiki Directory" and the "Main
Wiki"
> > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like
> > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
>
> Crowded and serves as a double function.
> > >
> > > ---
> > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I
> do?
> > Do
> > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because
he
> > wanted to have something to show to the
community that can still be
> changed
> > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
> >
> > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
> >
> > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
> > Current implementation:
> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > > Mockup with the new skin:
> > >
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Men…
>
> B - "XWiki" right menu:
>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
> >
> > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
> >
> > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
> regarding
> > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must
have
> a
> > > consensus for the RC1!
> > >
> > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
> > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
> > > -1 for proposal C.
> > >
>
> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed:
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
>
> (Wiki / (sub)wiki)
> * Home
> ** Administration
> ** ---
> ** Wikis Index/Directory
> ** Documents Index
>
> (Home/mainwiki)
> * Home
> ** Watch Home
> ** Administer Home
> ** ---
> ** Wikis Index
> ** Documents Index
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
> > > Louis-Marie
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