25 Jul
2008
25 Jul
'08
11:04 a.m.
On Jul 25, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Anca Paula Luca wrote:
Vincent Massol wrote:
I think we would learn a lot from it, eating our own dog food at the
community level.
On Jul 25, 2008, at 10:15 AM, Anca Paula Luca
wrote:
it makes a lot of sense, so:
+0 for 1: it would be nice to have it, it would be nice to have it
working
properly (having people *really* collaboratively watching) but that
is not the
purpose I started this thread for.
Vincent Massol wrote:
Then we still have a disagreement :)
Right now (and I'd like to keep it this way) all wikis on the
xwiki.org domain are for *real*. They are not test platforms for
people to see how xwiki works and have some fun trying it. They have
real usages (documentation of the xwiki software).
We have one exception: this is playground.xwiki.org which is there
for
people to test and play around.
Thus my proposal is:
1) have a new wiki (news.xwiki.org, same as we have jira.xwiki.org,
svn.xwiki.org and maven.xwiki.org) which will be our news "portal".
Note: It will also listen to the xwiki.org Blog feed.
2) have a Watch space in playground.xwiki.org for people to try out
Watch. I'd be fine with
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/ExternalNews/WebHome
but I think it's better to have a top level domain name for several
reasons:
* better visibility
* easier to go to rather than having to go xwiki.org and click on a
link
* easier for upgrades (XE on xwiki.org and watch are separate)
this makes me +1
for a separate wiki. I would have had it in the
watch wiki on
xwiki.org but, since the goal is to have the latest version of watch
running
there, we need to make sure it is freely upgradable (which can
require upgrading
the underlying XE).
Otherwise, I still think it should be on watch.xwiki.org rather than
xwiki.org
for consistency reasons, since it would be a demo of watch -- that
is the main
purpose as I see it, allowing people to click around and have a
quick look
without having to download, install, etc. +1 for 2, since this one is :). But now we're back
one mail to the
upgrade
problem: I would like to have always the last version of watch
running in the
playground, which could require platform / XE upgrades, from time to
time, since
the plugins & modules that watch is using don't really have their
own lifecycle,
yet.
We need to talk to Raff. I think right now playground is a subwiki on
the xwiki.org farm.
Right now the xwiki.org is upgraded to the latest version of XE
whenever it's released (within 1 or 2 weeks usually) so I don't see a
problem. When we do this upgrade we can upgrade watch too. And if the
watch releases comes later we upgrade watch only. Unless final watch
releases use non final XE releases. Is that the case?
We can also decide that playground has always the latest release but
this means potentially non stable releases and I'm not sure it's a
good idea since users testing xwiki might find it non stable and
decide not to use xwiki because of this...
And one more thing, I'm not very up to date with
how it works, but
isn't the
playground cleaned daily?
Yes and that's the good thing! ;) Watch would be cleaned daily too. We
just need to populate it with a few predefined items and save that DB
for the restore.
Thanks
-Vincent
> But I'm -1 to have a watch playground on
watch.xwiki.org since I
> don't
> want to blur the lines and I want to make it very clear that demo/
> testing is on playground.xwiki.org and the rest is for real.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>>> Yes we'll need that (in the right panel not left ;)).
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent