17 Mar
2010
17 Mar
'10
1:14 p.m.
Hi Guillaume,
On 03/17/2010 02:03 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Hi guys,
while we're talking about annotations, did we ever come to an agreement
about this one?
Right now the way it's implemented is 1/, meaning:
- select text
- hit a shortcut (meta + M) to get the annotation create dialog
- there is an explanation message in the annotations settings panel to help
people discover this process.
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean
<jean-vincent(a)drean.org>wrote;wrote:
yes I think we all agreed, more or less formal, that we want that little button
next to the selection, but no, I can't commit to fixing it for 2.3 final, since
the current method is "good enough" and there are other priorities (missing
features vs. improvements).
Thanks,
Anca
I'm +1 for 3), selecting text make a little
button to appear near the
selection.
If it's only a small button I don't see why it would break the normal
selection process.
I still think that 3) is both the easiest to use and the option that offers
best discoverability.
If agreed upon, can it get done before XE 2.3 final?
Guillaume
Thanks,
JV.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu<sergiu(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
process.
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On 02/01/2010 12:23 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:
> IMO:
>
> There is an Add button in the Annotation Options Area.
>
> - I go to the content
> - I SELECT the text
> - I press:
> - OR the Add button
> - OR Ctrl + defined key
> - A popup at the selected text location appears to let me add an
annotation.
>
> This way I can select the text without any problem in my usual
copy/paste
> rutine. And when I want to add an annotation
I simply click a button or
have
a key
shortcut.
+1, the annotation creation should not break the normal selection
> I don't understand why it is necessarily to have the Ctrl activated when
I
> do my selection or any other versions that
appear boxes when I select
text.
>
> 3) is ok too
>
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 18:48, Sergiu Dumitriu<sergiu(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
>
>> On 01/29/2010 05:39 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
>>> Hi Sergiu
>>>
>>> On 01/29/2010 06:28 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:
>>>> On 01/29/2010 03:53 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
>>>>> Short story:
>>>>> Can't use modifier keys since there is no decent cross browser
>> alternative.
>>>>>
>>>>> New "default" way:
>>>>> 1/ current solution presented at
>>>>>
>>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/AnnotationsProposa…
>>>>> with more accessible
"add" button (options?)
>>>>> 2/ when annotations are shown simple select triggers the display of
>> annotation
>>>>> dialog
>>>>> 3/ simple select displays a little add icon to be clicked and
display
>> the
>>>>> annotation dialog (1/ with button next to selection)
>>>>> 4/ checkbox to enable 2/
>>>>>
>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I like 2 or 4.
>>>>
>>>> I prefer 3. Without a mouse it's easy to break a selection, so here
one
>>>> saved click sometimes means an
extra close dialog.
>>>
>>> I don't know if I understand exactly, but for me any would go, so I
>> registered
>>> your opinion.
>>
>> It's not a strong opinion, and definitely not a -1 for all the others,
>> just my preference.
>>
>>>>
>>>> But I wonder how will it be implemented, simple onmousedown/onmouseup
>>>> handlers?What happens if I select text using the keyboard?
>>>
>>> I can look into selection handlers, but if it takes too long, I will
do
>> mouseup
>>> mousedown since frankly, without being disrespectful to users needs,
I
>> doubt
>>> there would be anyone else selecting text with the keyboard.
>>
>> As long as it will be easy to change the trigger later, feel free to
>> take the easiest approach at the moment.
>>
>>>> What happens
>>>> if I select text with the mouse then adjust the selection with the
>> keyboard?
>>>
>>> That would be simple, I could just use whatever selection in the
document
>> when
>>> user clicks the "add annotation" button (the form submit that is).
>>
>> Then this is good enough for my needs.
>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Anca
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> See below for long version.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Anca
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/29/2010 04:36 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
>>>>>> Hi devs,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 01/16/2010 09:14 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>> * adding an annotation could be done by pushing the "add
button"
then
>> going in
>>>>>>> the content& selecting text and when the mouse is
up, the
create
>> window
>>>>>>> appears. In other words, pushing the add button would have
the
same
>> behaviour as
>>>>>>> holding the CTRL key down. Speaking of which, it seems that
CTRL +
>> select is
>>>>>>> reserved in firefox for selecting a table or smth, and I also
think
>> it's
>>>>>>> reserved to selecting full words in IEs. Could you
investigate on
>> that and try
>>>>>>> to figure out what other modifier could do the job? (if a
modifier
is
>> required)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had a look at this and I have the following results:
>>>>>> * CTRL + select text:
>>>>>> - CTRL + mouse down is a shortcut for 'select full
paragraph' in IE
>> browsers
>>>>>> which means it will select the entire paragraph and will be hard
to
>> get the
>>>>>> selection working normally on the text you want to add annotation
on
>> (it's
>>>>>> possible to get to a normal select mode but with some pain). I
haven't
>> found a
>>>>>> way to prevent that behaviour
>>>>>> - CTRL + mouse down is a shortcut for selecting entire table
cells
in
>> Firefox:
>>>>>> cannot select only the text in a cell, by any means. I
haven't
found a
>> way to
>>>>>> prevent that behaviour
>>>>>> * ALT + select text:
>>>>>> - seems to be fine on all browsers, doesn't interfere with
any
other
>> reserved
>>>>>> keys (tested on firefox, chrome, IE) under windows, some mac BUT
>>>>>> - on Ubuntu, the ALT+drag combination is a system function for
moving
>> windows
>>>>>> around on the screen. There is no way I can 'override'
that from
the
>> browser.
>>>>>> * SHIFT + select text:
>>>>>> - It's weird on ff and chrome since it's an accessibility
shortcut
for
>> selecting
>>>>>> text (for those who cannot drag). Namely if you hold shift while
mouse
>> down, it
>>>>>> will select all the content from the last click you made.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because of all these, I think it would be hard to rely on some
>> modifier key, so
>>>>>> we need a more accessible alternative.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By also looking at some other annotations in other applications,
I
see
>> the
>>>>>> following options:
>>>>>> 1/ the alternative described at:
>>>>>>
>>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/AnnotationsProposa…
>>>>>> which has dissappeared
from the last proposal at
>>>>>>
>>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/AnnotationsPro…
>>>>>> ), except that it should
be more accessible since it would now be
the
>> default
>>>>>> way of adding annotations. (making it visible on scroll for
example)
>>>>>> 2/ while annotations are
'activated' (all or partially displayed on
>> the
>>>>>> document) simply selecting (no modifier) will trigger the
annotation
>> dialog
>>>>>> 3/ simply selecting always displays a little icon which can be
clicked
>> to open
>>>>>> the create dialog (for example, the way the accelerators icon is
added
>> to
>>>>>> selected text on IE8). It would less annoy regular selection, and
also
>
enable
>>>>> annotations on it, but it's an extraclick to add an annotation
>>>>> 4/ provide a checkbox "annotations mode", which when
activated
> (regardless of
>>>>> whether other annotations are displayed or not), will trigger
> annotation add
>>>>> dialog on simple select. This solution is similar to 1/
>>>>>
>>>>> WDYT? How would you see it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks a lot,
>>>>> Anca
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