Re: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Stop supporting XWiki Manager

On 09/13/2013 08:51 AM, Thomas Mortagne wrote: > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com> wrote: >> On 09/11/2013 05:58 AM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau wrote: >>> Since Enterprise embeds Workspaces by default since 5.2-m2, I think

does >>> not make any sense to release XWiki Manager (XEM) anymore. >>> >>> The build is currently broken (because of the XAR organization changes). >>> >>> So I propose to remove XWiki Manager: >>> - stop releasing it >>> - move the github repo to xwiki-contrib/retired >>> - update manager.xwiki.org to explain the changes in XWiki 5.2. >>> - move the manager jira to the retired category >>> - remove the build in ci.xwiki.org >>> >>> Here is my non-binding +1. >>> >>> LM >> >> -1. This is very premature, the new workspaces haven't been available >> for a long enough time to be sure it is a good replacement for XEM. >> >> Do workspaces fulfill all the needs of existing XEM users? > > XEM became a workspaces manager in 3.3 (see > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XEM-202) so there is nothing new here. > The only difference between the new XE and XEM is that wiki manager UI > is not included while it was hidden in XEM so it's not a big change > for users since it's super easy to install with Extension Manager. > > XEM is and always been pretty much only a set of pom.xml files with > dependencies and not much more than a home page. Guillaume moved > Workspaces from XEM to XE making XEM pretty much useless now. > >> >> Does the new implementation offer support for the Farm usage? > > You can install Wiki Manager UI using Extension Manager. > >> >> Is there a clear migration path? Manual or automatic? >> >> Is the new wiki management UI going to be at least as easy to use as

>> old one? What's the learning curve for administrators? >> >> >> If the build is broken, it's easier to fix it than to upset a large >> userbase. Why do we insist so much on maintaining backwards >> compatibility for Java APIs that we're almost certain nobody uses, yet >> we're OK with dropping an entire product without a proven alternative, >> hoping that in one or two more releases that alternative will actually >> be fully implemented? > > The point here is that the alternative is XE. We don't remove XEM > because the build is broken... It simply does not worth the effort to > keep it anymore since XE expose the same features. Given that as a downstream user I don't really use multiwikis in any way, this doesn't affect me at all. So +1, less code is always better. One product less means less confusion for users. My main complaint was about the backwards compatibility rule that's not being followed. -- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs