30 Jul
2013
30 Jul
'13
1:26 p.m.
Hi Caty,
See below.
On Jul 30, 2013, at 1:10 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
* "Add menu". I think you forgot to update the 3rd screenshots which the colibri
skin, right?
* "Home Menu". For 5.2 I don't think we should have the following since we
don't have any UI for them:
** Administration. I don't even know what it means at the global portal/system level
** All documents. Currently we don't have a LT that displays all docs from all wikis
** Applications Index. I don't see what you would do in this one. Listing all apps for
all wikis for quick navigation? Not sure it's needed
** Note: Users index should list all global users
* I don't like very much "Home" as the menu name since that represents a
single wiki (the main wiki). We already have a menu entry to represent the current wiki.
I'd prefer to have a "System" or "Portal" or "Farm" or
…, i.e. something that represents the whole system and have only system-wide actions in
it.
* "Wiki Menu". Should be the same as now + Users Index for listing all local
users of the current wiki + Application Index for all apps of the current wiki, i.e. all
actions that you can do on the current wiki
On Jul 22, 2013, at 10:16 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.org> wrote:
Proposals:
* Changes to the Menu
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu On 07/20/2013 07:33 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
> Hi devs,
>
> In the Roadmap proposal I've sent for XWiki 5.2 some days ago, there's
this time:
>
> "
> * Have Workspace by default in XE + improved home page - Caty +
Guillaume
Delhumeau. FTR Guillaume is not a committer yet but he's going to
work full time on XWiki development and especially on UI aspects from now
on. Welcome aboard Guillaume, we need you! :)
> "
>
> Denis told me he didn't know about the proposal of having Workspaces
integrated in the default XAR. Thus I'm sending this email to ensure we all
agree about this.
>
> The rationale is:
>
> * It would be nice that when our users download XWiki (standalone
version or
install the default XAR) they get to see the power of XWiki. One
of the very important differentiator of XWiki vs other wikis/solutions is
our multi-tenancy feature and most of people downloading and installing
XWiki don't see it.
>
> * XEM/Wiki Manager are lacking polishing because the committers mostly
polish
the default which doesn't include those. The UIs of XEM/Wiki Manager
need polishing. Having them in default will ensure that we take them into
account and make them first class citizens when we develop.
>
> Caty started working on the home page/UI improvements required to
integrate
this by default:
This is a major shift in how first-time users perceive XWiki. Without
multi-wiki features, it still looks like a wiki, but if the homepage
changes from a "welcome to your wiki" page to a "here are your
workspaces" portal, then suddenly XWiki "becomes" something else in the
eyes of our users. I used quotes since nothing changes on the inside,
the multiwiki feature has been there since the beginning, and the single
wiki mode can still be used.
This isn't the plan as I mentioned in my previous emails. The plan is that
the home page doesn't change. All that changes for a first time user
installing XWiki is that the Add menu will have more entries (Add Workspace
or Add Wiki or both, Caty is still working on the proposal).
* Wiki/Workspace Creation
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/CreateWikiImprovem…
(please chose between Option A, B or C)
Definitely +1 for B. I really think we need to drop the concept of workspaces and come
back to the concept of wiki/subwiki. It's much simpler for the user. What we call
"workspace" can be seen as a configuration for a wiki, i.e. the usage of global
users only.
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
Caty
>
>> But this change in how XWiki is perceived has both advantages and
>> disadvantages. On one hand, it clearly shows users that XWiki is a
>> collaborative platform, not just a wiki, so people that need
>> collaboration more than just a wiki will be able to see that XWiki isn't
>> another boring wiki. On the other hand, people that are just looking for
>> a wiki that's nice to use and "not-ugly", might be put off by yet
>> another layer of complexity, and might drop XWiki from their list of
>> candidates. In other words, it alienates even more the kind of users
>> that already perceive XWiki as hard to use and overly complex.
>>
>> So, are we willing to trade one type of users for the other? It would be
>> in line with our vision of "enterprise collaboration", but I still
think
>> we shouldn't voluntarily alienate any kind of users.
>>
>> An alternative is to wait for a real flavor, and then ask in the first
>> step of the distribution manager what kind of usage do we want. In the
>> meantime, we can still polish the pages that will go in the
"workspaces"
>> flavor.
>>
>> So, -0 for switching to "workspaces only" in 5.2, unless we have
really
>> good backwards compatibility and a flavor for a simple wiki for textual
>> collaboration.
>
> I hope the above allays your fears :)
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent