Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Interface and Content Language Separation

Hi, These preferences were so hard to calculate since people didn't used

+/-0/1 voted or voted positively on multiple entries, so if I

your vote please let me know.

Reminder: Proposal available at

__Short version__ So the majority of the participants liked version 2.2 with some

whether to choose variant 2.2.1 or 2.2.2. So the current votes are: ** 2.2.1: (-0 Jean) (+1 Sergiu) (+0 GL) (+1 Silvia) (+0 Andreea) (+1

(+1 Caty) ** 2.2.2: (+1 Jean) (+0 Sousa) (+1 GD) (+0 Caty) (-1 Sergiu) ** 2.2.1: { '1': (-0) (+4) } { '0': (-1) (+2) } = +4 ** 2.2.2: { '1': (-1) (+2) } { '0': (-0) (+2) } = +1 If you want to change your vote or cast another vote, please reply to

message. Until then, the winning solution is 2.2.1 __Long version__ Some conclusions: * 2.1: (-0 Jean) (-1 Sergiu) ** 2.1.1: (+0 Jean) (+1 Denis) (+0 Silvia) (+0 Manu) ** 2.1.2: (+1 GL) (+0 Denis) * 2.2: (+1 Jean) (+1 Sergiu) ** 2.2.1: (-0 Jean) (+1 Sergiu) (+0 GL) (+1 Silvia) (+0 Andreea) (+1

** 2.2.2: (+1 Jean) (+0 Sousa) (+1 GD) (+1 Caty) (-1 Sergiu) ** 2.2.3: (+0 Sergiu) (+0 Andreea) (+0 Manu) * 2.3: (-0 Jean) (+/-0 Sergiu) (+0 Andreea) * 2.4: (+0 Jean) (+0 Sousa) (-0 Caty) (-1 Sergiu) (+0 Andreea) So this means: * 2.1: { '1': (-1) (+0) } { '0': (-1) (+0) } = -1 ** 2.1.1: { '1': (-0) (+1) } { '0': (-0) (+3) } = +1 ** 2.1.2: { '1': (-0) (+1) } { '0': (-0) (+1) } = +1 * 2.2: { '1': (-0) (+2) } { '0': (-0) (+0) } = +2 ** 2.2.1: { '1': (-0) (+3) } { '0': (-1) (+2) } = +3 ** 2.2.2: { '1': (-1) (+3) } { '0': (-0) (+1) } = +2 ** 2.2.3: { '1': (-0) (+0) } { '0': (-0) (+3) } = 0 * 2.3: { '1': (-0) (+0) } { '0': (-2) (+2) } = 0 * 2.4: { '1': (-1) (+0) } { '0': (-1) (+3) } = -1 So the majority of the participants liked version 2.2 with some

whether to choose variant 2.2.1 or 2.2.2. The votes were: ** 2.2.1: (-0 Jean) (+1 Sergiu) (+0 GL) (+1 Silvia) (+0 Andreea) (+1

** 2.2.2: (+1 Jean) (+0 Sousa) (+1 GD) (+1 Caty) (-1 Sergiu) Adjustments: Since Segiu voted -1 on 2.2.2 we couldn't pick this version until the committer changes his vote, given the arguments. Given Sergiu's arguments I want to change my vote for 2.2.2 from +1 -> +0 and give variant 2.2.1 a +1 vote. My rationale behind this change is that: * initially I preferred using links to display the language in order to

consistent with edit mode (language selection) * because of space constraints I believe is better to use a menu to

them * since it's a menu, I agree it should have the standard menu look * from an implementation point of view is easier to use the Bootstrap's menu component than to write a custom one for our case So the current votes are: ** 2.2.1: (-0 Jean) (+1 Sergiu) (+0 GL) (+1 Silvia) (+0 Andreea) (+1

(+1 Caty) ** 2.2.2: (+1 Jean) (+0 Sousa) (+1 GD) (+0 Caty) (-1 Sergiu) ** 2.2.1: { '1': (-0) (+4) } { '0': (-1) (+2) } = +4 ** 2.2.2: { '1': (-1) (+2) } { '0': (-0) (+2) } = +1 If you want to change your vote or cast another vote, please reply to

message. Until then, the winning solution is 2.2.1 Thanks, Caty On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Manuel Smeria wrote: > Hello, > > I'm +1 for this proposal. > > I like 2.1.1, 2.2.1 & 2.2.3, but if I were to pick one I'd go with

> > Thanks, > Manuel > > > On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: > > > 2014-08-21 11:00 GMT+02:00 vincent(a)massol.net : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 21 Aug 2014 at 10:57:36, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( > > > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote: > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > 2014-08-21 9:58 GMT+02:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) : > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > First of all we need to decide how prominent we want this > > > functionality to > > > > > be. > > > > > I would make it more transparent, since theoretically you

> > change > > > > > your language preference just once (in the Administration, and

> > > user) > > > > > and all the pages should be displayed according to that

> > > This is > > > > > not something that need to be highly visible and that you would > > change > > > > > every day. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not true on a public wiki (like Wikipedia). > > > > > > That’s a good point, we need to agree which skin we’re discussing. > AFAIK > > > we’re discussing Flamingo which is NOT a public web site skin.

> > do a > > > public web site skin we would need to take this into consideration > > indeed. > > > > > > > To me Flamingo can be used for a public wiki (without the app bar),

> > has not the same meaning as "public website" which is not necessary a > > "wiki" (see: > > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Leiothrix+Skin

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > IMO it's more important to be better displayed when you want to > > > > > create a new translation, than when you read one. > > > > > > > > > > Regarding the flag to represent languages you can read this

> > > with > > > > > additional information about why we wouldn't do it like that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Caty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Denis Gervalle wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Cathy, > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.1.1 is the one I prefer, 2.1.2 is also good but the

> > > between > > > > > > language should be more clear, and it is less easy to see the > > active > > > > > one. I > > > > > > have no fear about the scaling issue, even heavily

> > site > > > like > > > > > > those of the European Commission use such enumeration without > > issue. > > > And > > > > > as > > > > > > Guillaume said, it is really rare to have more than a few > languages > > > > > anyway. > > > > > > Other proposal implies multiple click/touch for the same

> > > which > > > > > is > > > > > > bad IMO for content. It is also important to only display > > effectively > > > > > > available languages, but with an enum, it could be also good

> > have > > > the > > > > > > option to also display unavailable one greyed, so language

> > their > > > > > > location on screen. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding the UI language, 1.1 is fine, but maybe a bit

> > Having > > > > > only > > > > > > initial in the bar would be better IMO. Having also a more

> > > > > solution, > > > > > > like what I have done with bluebird (see http://softec.lu), > could > > be > > > > > nice > > > > > > to have as well... or a easy way to customize it that way

> > > > > > extension. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > > > > > valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi devs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-10745 (Improve

> > > display > > > > > of > > > > > > > available languages in Flamingo) which is related to > > > > > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-6402 (Separate

> > > language > > > > > and > > > > > > > page language settings) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While in Flamingo we could just make the language links

> > > better, > > > > > > > without changing the functionality, for the future, the > > separation > > > is > > > > > > > something we might want to tackle, that's why I've created

> > > > > proposal > > > > > > > page > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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