19 Sep
2013
19 Sep
'13
10:21 a.m.
+1, I like this idea.
Anyone else?
2013/9/18 Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu>
Looking at the screenshots, I was wondering if we
shouldn't use the same
"HOME" label for the single wiki case, since the wiki name has no real
meaning, and it could became the home of a workspace environment, or of a
multiwiki farm. This would make it more consistent over time, than having
the "Wiki: xwiki" changing to "HOME" when a subwiki is created. I am
only
talking about the menu label here, not the content.
WDYT ?
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <
gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
wiki
over
(which
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admi…
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249…
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
and
between
with
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
a
(mainwiki)).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer
main wiki"
> > twice:
> > >> > once
> > >> > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
> > >> > > - The left menu has too many items.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from
> > >> * Menu in the (sub)wiki
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
> > >> in
> > >> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(pro…
more a
User".
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal…
be
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Men…
must
--
Denis Gervalle
SOFTEC sa - CEO
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You can see some screenshots in the JIRA:
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475
Thanks,
LM
2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <fabio.mancinelli(a)xwiki.com>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume
"Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
<gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> Indeed, the proposal A was based on
>
> > of
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu.
> >
> > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
> >
> > Let me recap:
> >
> > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
> >
> > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
> >
> > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
> >
> > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
> >
> > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
> >
>
> I like both B and E.
>
> I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis
> are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the
> main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I
> understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where
> to put this menu.
>
> What I don't like of E is just the "home" label.
> Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that
> menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki.
>
> I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of
> the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space).
> Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution.
>
> -Fabio
>
>
>
>
> > --
> >
> > About E:
> > Some issues IMHO:
> > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki
and
> > when you are in the subwiki.
> > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the
users
> and
> > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't
it
be
> confusing?
>
> Thanks,
> Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
>
>
>
> 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
>
>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > You forgot one proposal which I like:
> >> >
> >> > == Proposal D ==
> >> >
> >> > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left)
> >> > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current >>
> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow
navigating
> >> > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other
> wikis
> >> > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover > the
> >> > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with
first
> >> entry
> >> > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a
second entry
with
> "Wiki
> > Index" for example.
> >
> > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the
logo
as
>> > a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > -Vincent
>> >
>> > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <
>> > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi developers.
>> > >
>> > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate
>> Workspace
>> > in
>> > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
>> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when
>> > Workspaces
>> > > activated".
>> > >
>> > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2
was
>> > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull
request. I
> have
> > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
> > >
> > > == Proposal A ==
> > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
> > > Logged as admin:
> > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > > Not logged as admin:
> > >
> >
>
> > >
> > > You can get it from this commit:
> > >
> >
>
> > > (except that I have changed the wiki
icon for this screenshot)
> > >
> >
>
> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
>
> In your screenshot is:
> * Home
> ** Administer Main Wiki
> ** Wiki Directory
>
> What it was proposed:
> * Home
> ** Administration
> ** Wikis Index
> ** ....
>
>
>
>
> >>
> >> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as:
> >> - "Administration"
> >> or
> >> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home"
> >> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
> >>
> >>
> >> > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
> current
> >> > menus:
> >> > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when
we
are
>> in
>> > a
>> > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
>> >
>>
>> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate
both
> >> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
> >>
> >>
> >> > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the
> current
> >> > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a
"main" >>
> several
>> > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could
imagine,
in
> the
> >> > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction >>
"main"
>> > > and "sub", but where we have an independent
"system" that allows
the
>> > users
>> > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call
the
> >> menu
> >> > > "System" or "XWiki".
> >> >
> >>
> >> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home"
and "wiki". The menu
> displays
> >> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent
> the
> >> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
> >>
> >> > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only
have
a
> >> > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has
more
> > >> > content.
> > >> > > It does not look good.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> In the proposal there is
>
>
> >> Although this is not currently
implemented, the idea is that we
could
also
in
> the
> >> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order
to have > list for example the "Users Index"
a.k.a the "User Directory"
(especially
>> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located >>
consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
>>
>> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the
submenu,
> we
> >> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home >
>
>
>
> >>
> >> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
> content'
> >> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
> >>
> >>
> >> > >
> >> > > == Proposal B ==
> >> > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in
5.2M2,
so we
> > > started to iterate until having
this proposal:
> > >
> >
>
> >> > > B).
> >> > >
> >> > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the
left
> >> side,
> >> > we
> >> > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can
actually
> >> > achieve
> >> > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like
"Administer",
"Delete"
or
>> > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that,
it
just
> >> > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's
> >> > "System"
> >> > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's
why
we
put
>> it
>> > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less
>> confusing.
>> >
>>
>> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content
organization
> >> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page.
> >> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || > The
> >> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your
> location in
> >> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related
> actions.
> >>
> >> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to
customize
>>
their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it
their
> own.
>
>
> > >
> > > == Proposal C ==
> > > We had also this idea:
> > >
> >
>
){kind=link}
> >> > > But we didn't like
it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the
"Main
Wiki"
>> > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like
>> > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
>> >
>>
>> Crowded and serves as a double function.
>>
>>
>> > >
>> > > ---
>> > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What
should I
> do?
> > Do
> > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes,
because he
>> > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still
> >
changed
> > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
> > >
> > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
> > >
> > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
> > > Current implementation:
> > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > > Mockup with the new skin:
> > >
> >
>
>>
> >
>> > > B - "XWiki" right menu:
>> > >
>>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
>> > >
>> > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
>> > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
> >> > >
> >> > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
> >> > regarding
> >> > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We
have
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> a
> > > consensus for the RC1!
> > >
> > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
> > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
> > > -1 for proposal C.
> > >
> >
>
> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed:
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
>
> (Wiki / (sub)wiki)
> * Home
> ** Administration
> ** ---
> ** Wikis Index/Directory
> ** Documents Index
>
> (Home/mainwiki)
> * Home
> ** Watch Home
> ** Administer Home
> ** ---
> ** Wikis Index
> ** Documents Index
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
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