7 Aug
2009
7 Aug
'09
10:27 p.m.
On Aug 7, 2009, at 10:20 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:
Vincent Massol wrote:
I think I'd always keep comments and attachments at the bottom.
I don't have a strong opinion on all this, I'd just like that we don't
discard this possibility when we make further proposals. In any case
we're getting ahead of ourselves since the current proposal is only
for XWiki 2.0 and doesn't include all this.... :)
The only thing that I currently find a bit strange is the new footer
which creates a new zone. So basically we have 3 zones for page info:
- top of the doc with breadcrumb
- first footer with author + tags
- second footer with the tabs.
Thanks
-Vincent
On Aug 7, 2009, at 9:29 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu
wrote:
The main difference between Confluence/TWiki and XWiki is that they
have
only links, while we actually display the information. Indeed, having
just the links to view comments/attachments/tags at the bottom would
be
wrong. But we're actually displaying them, which is completely
different
from putting a link in a toolbar. Thus, comparing the TWiki UI with
ours
is like "apples and oranges".
Vincent Massol wrote:
What I'd like actually is not the actual content on top of course but
an easy way to navigate to that content (info, attachments, comments,
etc).
Right now we kind of have this already with the action toolbar but I
have the feeling it can be improved and it doesn't have a link to the
page info for example.
Here's a example:
http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/DOC/Confluence+2.8+Screen+and+Menu+…
If you're logged in then the Tools menu has more actions.
- One think I like is the link to view the latest change directly at
the top (in the line that says who was the last modifier).
- Another nice thing is the little icon showing the attachment and
the
number of attachments
FOSWiki also does it with icons and I don't feel they're standing in
the way of the content:
http://foswiki.org/ On Aug 7, 2009, at 7:13 PM, Ecaterina Valica
wrote:
> Hi devs,
>
> You can see the proposal for the new skin at
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Skin20P1
> Comments, opinions and implementation help are welcomed :)
Future:
* I'd like to see if there's a way to group tags at the top with
the
rest + potentially move all page information to the top somewhere
You can't
have everything at the top. And I wouldn't like it. When I
come to a page, I want to see the content. "Content is King".
Everybody
who ever used the Web knows that comments are at the bottom.
Attachments
too. In many blog platforms tags are at the bottom as well. People
know
this. If not, they can learn it. Last, Lauren't experiment on
http://laurent.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/ModificationVM/
shows everything at the top. I don't know how well or how badly it
would work but it doesn't look too bad.
I don't know, I'm not too fond of it. It's invisible information that
appears only if you know how to make it visible. I am forced to
click to
access it. For example the tags are a pretty important piece
information
(that's why we're considering moving them at the top, to make it more
visible), yet I have to click on a label to actually see them. Not to
mention that they're unavailable without javascript.
Second, when this information appears, it blocks the main content.
If we
were to put the comments in the same way, as a visitor I wouldn't
notice
them, and when I open them up, I can't see the content anymore. How
can
I comment if I can't see what I'm commenting about?
>> WikiPatterns lists a lot of patterns that can push the wiki
>> forward or
>> backward, but most of them are about people, and not about the
>> placement
>> of things in the UI. People should encourage each other to use tags
>> and
>> comments; the fact that we push them higher on the page doesn't mean
>> that people will start using them more often; it just annoys by
>> standing
>> between the user and the content. And after I read the article and
>> I'm
>> at the bottom, I have to scroll back up to tag or rate it. Or
>> should I
>> tag a document before actually reading it?
>
> I also don't want to clutter things. I hate clutter.
>
> I'm not sure about tags at the top. Twiki does it but I don't like
> the
> way they've done it. I remember seeing somewhere where it was done in
> a non obtrusive way. however if we already have one line for the last
> updated it might be too much to have another one maybe. Lauren't page
> does it nicely also I think.