Re: [xwiki-devs] [Discussion] New location of the "Add" menu in the new Flamingo skin

On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Denis Gervalle &lt;dgl(a)softec.lu> > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > valicac(a)gmail.com > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Eduard Moraru &lt;enygma2002(a)gmail.com&gt; > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I kind of like this proposal. As Jeremie pointed out, we`re more or > > less > > > > back where we started from, with the "improvement" that the "Add" > > button > > > is > > > > now in the middle of the page, hard to miss :) > > > > > > > > Now, if we also rename "Add" to "Create", the only downside is that > > > awkward > > > > feeling of more or less cloning Atlassian's UI. However, it's never a > > > > question of UI ownership or copying, but just of what works best in > > > > practice and what makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Denis asked some days ago why some things changed from the original > > > Flamingo proposal "which we all agreed on". Apparently this is the > reason > > > some of the things changed: listening to different opinions. > > > > > > One of the reasons I'm a bit upset with these discussions is that when > we > > > proposed Flamingo, a prototype was also available, so all these > > 'concerns' > > > should have been noticed earlier, not in 6.2.1. These kind of > discussions > > > should happen in the Proposal phase, not in the Testing phase. > > > > > > > I completely agree with you on that point. And this is true for UI, as > well > > as anything else on this project. We always need it realized to received > > criticisms. This probably a consequence of the fact that we are all very > > busy. That said, I do not remember seing a proposal that look like the > > current result. And your initial proposal does not exhibit the issue we > are > > actually discussing, which have been mainly started because of the add > wiki > > option. > > > > > It was always in the initial proposal > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Skin4x > and more explicitly in the Menus section > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Skin4xMenus Cathy, you have not read me carefully, where do you see an option to add a wiki in those proposals ? > > > > > > > > Also all the changes proposed in Flamingo, where discussed before. We > > used > > > 'Add' naming because 'Create' was less used 'in the wild', was shorter, > > > etc. We moved the Add (from the Colibri position) because some users > find > > > it difficult to locate, wanted to improve the actions grouping, etc. > > > > > > > I agree, what I am proposing actually only came from the current > discussion > > and the evolution of it. It is not always easy to imagine good UI without > > tasting it for real. I think we should not care too much, and we should > > look forward to finally getting the best UI ever, even if the process is > > not academic. > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > I liked the Colibri's 'Add' position and I just want us to make this > > change > > > because we think that is the best place for it, not because we are > > > influenced and think another product might have the magic solution to > our > > > problems. > > > > > > If you consider that after a 'period of testing' that location is not > the > > > best place for the 'Add' button to be, than I agree we can 'revert' the > > > change. IMO the menus are still not optimal, but I guess only testing > > could > > > give us an impartial answer. I would have liked a bit more time to test > > > this solution with 'normal' users, and I hope we don't do this change > > > because regular/advanced users had a hard time to adapt to it. I will > > > repeat myself, I think skins are allowed to have differences (but maybe > > > testing different solutions would be more acceptable if we had more > skins > > > or changed them more often). > > > > > > > I do not think we are complaining because we are advance, only because it > > mixup "out of context" and "in context" actions. Which is for the end > user, > > surely a source of confusion. > > > > Cathy, do not feel too upset of all these changes, you have made a great > > job preparing this new skin, it just need polishing as any of what we > do. I > > know it is frustrating that preview are not look at carefully enough, but > > that's life :) > > > > > :) > > Thanks, > Caty > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Caty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding the addition of yet another "Add" button for page-related > > > > entries, as suggested by Denis, I`m not sure it's such a good idea. I > > > never > > > > did like modals that much in web interfaces and, AFAIK, they are not > > > > recommended that much in HCI (Human-Computer Interaction) classes > > either, > > > > for the simple reason that they are too volatile and are not friendly > > > with > > > > the browser's "Back" button. I think we already have enough shortcuts > > in > > > > the 'More Actions' section and the 'Edit' dropdown. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Eduard > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < > > > > mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Denis Gervalle &lt;dgl(a)softec.lu&gt; > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" > Delhumeau > > < > > > > > > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> > > > > > > > > > > >> Even better: > > > > > >> > > > http://tof.canardpc.com/view/19c9c68f-9dae-440e-ad82-3b8a6cc4623a.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes that one looks very cool to me but... :) > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if the name would not be better to be "Create". > > > > > > > > > > > > Since, I think we still need an another button in the page called > > > "Add" > > > > > to > > > > > > add to the page: > > > > > > * annotations using modal (you may select, than use the button > > > > normally) > > > > > > * comment using a modal (without having to scroll to the bottom) > > > > > > * attachement using a modal (without having to scroll to the > > > bottom), > > > > > > * objects using a modal (without necessarily needing to load all > > > > > existing > > > > > > objects for edit, so a page could show objects without having to > > > manage > > > > > > addition of new ones, AWSeconds) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This way, the extradoc tabs could be hidden, independently of the > > > > > > comment/attachment functionality, and the pain of scrolling to > the > > > > bottom > > > > > > is removed. > > > > > > > > > > Adding a comment or uploading a file using a modal box is fine. > > > > > Viewing the comments/attachments in a modal box is not a good idea > > > > > IMO. The user expects to see the comments/attachments after the > > > > > content. I don't think we can hide the extradoc tabs. Or maybe I > > > > > misunderstood. > > > > > > > > > > > It give also some logic to those button, with a non-contextual > > > > > > create button, and a contextual add button. We could then allow > > > > > application > > > > > > to hook both of them depending on their needs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Another, a bit off-topic, remarks, is that in the More actions, > > > > > annotation > > > > > > should be isolated, and work like a toggle to display/hide them > > > > > (including > > > > > > the author filter box and the tooltips), without needing to > click a > > > > > > seperate checkbox. > > > > > > > > > > > > WDYT ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> 2014-10-01 10:59 GMT+02:00 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > > > > > >> gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt;gt;: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > So basically, you want: > > > > > >> > > > > > > http://tof.canardpc.com/view/25ad0704-563e-41cd-bbf2-72c371912245.jpg > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > 2014-10-01 10:46 GMT+02:00 vincent(a)massol.net < > > vincent(a)massol.net > > > >: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> On 1 Oct 2014 at 10:09:00, Guillaume Lerouge ( > > > guillaume(a)xwiki.com > > > > > >> (mailto: > > > > > >> >> guillaume(a)xwiki.com)) wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > Hi, > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > after discussing with Vincent this morning we came to a > > > > suggestion > > > > > >> that > > > > > >> >> > would fix my issue with the current location of the add > > button. > > > > The > > > > > >> idea > > > > > >> >> > would be to move the search bar to the left of the menu, > and > > > put > > > > > the > > > > > >> >> "Add" > > > > > >> >> > button in its place. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > Crude image explanation here: > > > > > >> >> > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/hrxlj6n6pztigic/AddButton-Search.png > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > This way the "Add" button is back in a global menu, not in > a > > > menu > > > > > that > > > > > >> >> is > > > > > >> >> > contextual to the page, yet it stays very visible. In > > addition > > > to > > > > > >> this, > > > > > >> >> > since "Create wiki" is visible only to authorized users, > it's > > > not > > > > > too > > > > > >> >> much > > > > > >> >> > in the way. Last item: this solves the issue of having the > > > "Edit" > > > > > and > > > > > >> >> "More > > > > > >> >> > actions" buttons separated from one another. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > WDYT? > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> Sounds the best to me! :) I never really liked the move of > the > > > > Create > > > > > >> >> button in the page contextual menu (doesn’t make sense to > me). > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> FYI here’s what they have for: > > > > > >> >> - confluence: > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/948c4f24-2485-4b33-8452-1e6e1a2d6c74… > > > > > >> >> - jira: > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/b8803c9b-4ea7-43dd-a2ed-1226080074f2… > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> Thanks > > > > > >> >> -Vincent > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > Guillaume > > > > > >> >> > ᐧ > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eduard Moraru wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Guillaume Lerouge > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Hi, > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Ecaterina Moraru > > (Valica) > > > < > > > > > >> >> > > > valicac(a)gmail.com> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < > > > > > >> >> > > > > me(a)guillaumelerouge.com&gt; > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Hi, > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Ecaterina Moraru > > > > (Valica) > > > > > < > > > > > >> >> > > > > > valicac(a)gmail.com> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Guillaume > Lerouge > > < > > > > > >> >> > > > > guillaume(a)xwiki.com&gt; > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Hi Marius, > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Marius Dumitru > > > > Florea > > > > > < > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Guillaume > > > Lerouge > > > > < > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > guillaume(a)xwiki.com&gt; > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Hi again, > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Guillaume > > > > > >> >> "Louis-Marie" > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Delhumeau < > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> Hi Eddy, > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> 2014-09-25 11:59 GMT+02:00 Eduard Moraru < > > > > > >> >> > > > enygma2002(a)gmail.com > > > > > >> >> > > > > >: > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > Hi devs, > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > I`m not sure if we already have a > > discussion > > > > > >> started > > > > > >> >> on > > > > > >> >> > > this > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > topic, > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > but > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> in > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > my opinion, it's long overdue. I see > > people > > > > > start > > > > > >> >> being > > > > > >> >> > > > > confused > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > and > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > questions like this [1] start to be > asked. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > The new location of the Add menu in > > Flamingo > > > > is > > > > > >> >> > > problematic > > > > > >> >> > > > > IMO > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > for > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > a > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > various number of reasons: > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > - It falsely gives the impression that > it > > > adds > > > > > >> >> > > page-related > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > entries > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > (i.e. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > related to the current page), due to its > > > > current > > > > > >> >> location > > > > > >> >> > > > > (i.e. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > in > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > the > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> page > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > content) > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > - It conflicts with AWM`s "Add new > Entry" > > > > button > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > More generally speaking, this is true for a > > lot > > > > of > > > > > >> >> > > livetables. > > > > > >> >> > > > We > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > would > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > need a generic "Create" button to be > > available > > > > > when we > > > > > >> >> > > > > instantiate > > > > > >> >> > > > > > a > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > livetable. This could be useful for the > wiki > > > > index > > > > > >> >> page, for > > > > > >> >> > > > the > > > > > >> >> > > > > > user > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > directory, for all the AWM homepages... > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > I guess you like the files live table from > the > > > File > > > > > >> >> Manager > > > > > >> >> > > then > > > > > >> >> > > > :) > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/File+Manager+Applicati… > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > . Would be interesting to have such a toolbar > > > (with > > > > > >> >> support for > > > > > >> >> > > > > > custom > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > buttons) before the live table don't you > think? > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > IMO the toolbar's functionality is already > covered > > by > > > > the > > > > > >> >> > > 'Actions' > > > > > >> >> > > > > > column > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > in the livetable. The only thing missing is the > > > > 'Create' > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > I'm not sure this is the same use case. I can see > at > > > > least > > > > > 3 > > > > > >> >> reasons > > > > > >> >> > > > why: > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > IMO it's exactly the same use case, the only > difference > > > is > > > > > that > > > > > >> >> the > > > > > >> >> > > > Actions > > > > > >> >> > > > > column was used as an intermediate solution because > we > > > > didn't > > > > > >> had > > > > > >> >> bulk > > > > > >> >> > > > > actions in livetable (the ability to make multiple > > entity > > > > > >> >> selection > > > > > >> >> > > > > (checkbox) - that's why we duplicate the entries on > > each > > > > > row). > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Great, this means that we agree on the fact that the > > > > "Actions" > > > > > >> >> column > > > > > >> >> > > > should be replaced by a "Select" column with checkboxes > > in > > > > it, > > > > > and > > > > > >> >> also > > > > > >> >> > > > that Marius' horizontal livetable toolbar should be > > > expanded > > > > > to be > > > > > >> >> used > > > > > >> >> > > in > > > > > >> >> > > > a generic fashion by all livetables :-) > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > Not completely replaced because not all > operations/actions > > > can > > > > be > > > > > >> >> performed > > > > > >> >> > > in bulk fashion. Take the 'edit' action and notice that > it > > > is a > > > > > >> single > > > > > >> >> > > element action compared to 'delete'. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > A different situation exists for the 'rename' action > since > > it > > > > is > > > > > >> more > > > > > >> >> of a > > > > > >> >> > > single element action, but can be presented as a bulk > > action > > > as > > > > > well > > > > > >> >> if you > > > > > >> >> > > provide some kind of renaming template like '_'. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > In other words, both the bulk operations toolbar and the > > > > actions > > > > > >> >> column > > > > > >> >> > > have their right place in the livetable IMO and having a > > > > checkbox > > > > > >> >> column > > > > > >> >> > > like Marius did for the FM livetable looks like the right > > way > > > > to > > > > > go. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > Thanks, > > > > > >> >> > > Eduard > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Guillaume > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Thanks, > > > > > >> >> > > > > Caty > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 1/ The "create" button would generate a new entry, > > > > whereas > > > > > the > > > > > >> >> > > > "actions" > > > > > >> >> > > > > > column is for actions that are related to > individual > > > > > entries > > > > > >> >> that > > > > > >> >> > > > already > > > > > >> >> > > > > > exist > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 2/ The "actions" column can be removed by the > > livetable > > > > > >> creator > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 3/ The toolbar would also be useful to handle bulk > > > > actions > > > > > on > > > > > >> >> pages > > > > > >> >> > > > such > > > > > >> >> > > > > as > > > > > >> >> > > > > > "delete selected entries" (as in the file manager) > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Best, > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > Caty > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Yes and yes :-) > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Basically the button would let the user > > create > > > a > > > > > new > > > > > >> >> item of > > > > > >> >> > > > the > > > > > >> >> > > > > > same > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > type > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > than the items displayed in the livetable. > > > Right > > > > > now > > > > > >> we > > > > > >> >> do > > > > > >> >> > > this > > > > > >> >> > > > > in > > > > > >> >> > > > > > an > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > ad-hoc fashion, so it would be great to > have > > a > > > > > generic > > > > > >> >> > > > solution. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > It's > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > also > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > related to the automatic page name > generation > > > > > module > > > > > >> >> (that we > > > > > >> >> > > > > don't > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > have > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > in > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > the core yet, though there's an extensions > > > doing > > > > it > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Unique+Identification+… > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > ). > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > - from my POV, looking at the page from > a > > > far, > > > > > the > > > > > >> >> new > > > > > >> >> > > > > location > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > looks > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > completely randomly selected: > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- It's not on the left/top (as > > > left-to-right > > > > > >> >> language > > > > > >> >> > > > > specific > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > brains > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> are > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > trained to follow) > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not exactly at the top either > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not at the right > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not next to the type of elements > > it > > > > > creates > > > > > >> >> (i.e. > > > > > >> >> > > > next > > > > > >> >> > > > > > to > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > WIKI/SPACE/PAGE) > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it basically is almost in the middle > of > > > the > > > > > >> screen > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > - etc. (i.e. others that don`t come > right > > > now > > > > > to my > > > > > >> >> mind) > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> Personally, I like the fact that it is > > located > > > > > near > > > > > >> >> the Edit > > > > > >> >> > > > > > button, > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > even > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> if it does not concern the current page. > > > Because > > > > > it > > > > > >> >> groups > > > > > >> >> > > the > > > > > >> >> > > > > > most > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > basic > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> and useful actions that you need when you > > want > > > > to > > > > > >> >> > > contribute: > > > > > >> >> > > > > > EDIT, > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > ADD. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> To me, it makes sense. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > I`d like to open a discussion on this, > > since > > > > > it's > > > > > >> >> quite an > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > important > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> aspect > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > of the UI and, due to it's shiny green > > color > > > > > (which > > > > > >> >> I like > > > > > >> >> > > > > :)), > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > it`s > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > hard > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > to miss. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > Is it just me who's resistant to change, > > or > > > do > > > > > >> >> others see > > > > > >> >> > > a > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > problem > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > here > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > with this as well? > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > Thanks, > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > Eduard > > > > > >> >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >> >> devs mailing list > > > > > >> >> devs(a)xwiki.org > > > > > >> >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > -- > > > > > >> > Guillaume Delhumeau (gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com) > > > > > >> > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > > > > > >> > Committer on the XWiki.org project > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> -- > > > > > >> Guillaume Delhumeau (gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com) > > > > > >> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > > > > > >> Committer on the XWiki.org project > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >> devs mailing list > > > > > >> devs(a)xwiki.org > > > > > >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Denis Gervalle > > > > > > SOFTEC sa - CEO > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > devs mailing list > > > > > > devs(a)xwiki.org > > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > devs mailing list > > > > > devs(a)xwiki.org > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > devs mailing list > > > > devs(a)xwiki.org > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > devs(a)xwiki.org > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Denis Gervalle > > SOFTEC sa - CEO > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > devs(a)xwiki.org > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > devs(a)xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > -- Denis Gervalle SOFTEC sa - 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