23 Sep
2014
23 Sep
'14
4:57 p.m.
On 23 Sep 2014 at 16:44:39, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
(valicac@gmail.com(mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
Hi,
These preferences were so hard to calculate since people didn't used clean
+/-0/1 voted or voted positively on multiple entries, so if I misunderstood
your vote please let me know.
Sorry Caty but not VOTE was started (which is why I didn’t vote).
Personally I don’t like 2.2.x too much as I mentioned in the jira issue
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-10745
“
I don't like 2.2.1 too much on my side because it adds an extra line in the UI and
thus makes it more cluttered and gives less room from the content
"
But let’s say if there was a vote I’d vote +0 FTM since I don’t have the time right now to
review all proposals or make new proposals.
At least I hope it appears only when the wiki is multilingual :)
Thanks
-Vincent
Reminder: Proposal available at
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/InterfaceAndContentLanguage…
__Short version__
So the majority of the participants liked version 2.2 with some discussion
whether to choose variant 2.2.1 or 2.2.2.
So the current votes are:
** 2.2.1: (-0 Jean) (+1 Sergiu) (+0 GL) (+1 Silvia) (+0 Andreea) (+1 Manu)
(+1 Caty)
** 2.2.2: (+1 Jean) (+0 Sousa) (+1 GD) (+0 Caty) (-1 Sergiu)
** 2.2.1: { '1': (-0) (+4) } { '0': (-1) (+2) } = +4
** 2.2.2: { '1': (-1) (+2) } { '0': (-0) (+2) } = +1
If you want to change your vote or cast another vote, please reply to this
message. Until then, the winning solution is 2.2.1
__Long version__
Some conclusions:
* 2.1: (-0 Jean) (-1 Sergiu)
** 2.1.1: (+0 Jean) (+1 Denis) (+0 Silvia) (+0 Manu)
** 2.1.2: (+1 GL) (+0 Denis)
* 2.2: (+1 Jean) (+1 Sergiu)
** 2.2.1: (-0 Jean) (+1 Sergiu) (+0 GL) (+1 Silvia) (+0 Andreea) (+1 Manu)
** 2.2.2: (+1 Jean) (+0 Sousa) (+1 GD) (+1 Caty) (-1 Sergiu)
** 2.2.3: (+0 Sergiu) (+0 Andreea) (+0 Manu)
* 2.3: (-0 Jean) (+/-0 Sergiu) (+0 Andreea)
* 2.4: (+0 Jean) (+0 Sousa) (-0 Caty) (-1 Sergiu) (+0 Andreea)
So this means:
* 2.1: { '1': (-1) (+0) } { '0': (-1) (+0) } = -1
** 2.1.1: { '1': (-0) (+1) } { '0': (-0) (+3) } = +1
** 2.1.2: { '1': (-0) (+1) } { '0': (-0) (+1) } = +1
* 2.2: { '1': (-0) (+2) } { '0': (-0) (+0) } = +2
** 2.2.1: { '1': (-0) (+3) } { '0': (-1) (+2) } = +3
** 2.2.2: { '1': (-1) (+3) } { '0': (-0) (+1) } = +2
** 2.2.3: { '1': (-0) (+0) } { '0': (-0) (+3) } = 0
* 2.3: { '1': (-0) (+0) } { '0': (-2) (+2) } = 0
* 2.4: { '1': (-1) (+0) } { '0': (-1) (+3) } = -1
So the majority of the participants liked version 2.2 with some discussion
whether to choose variant 2.2.1 or 2.2.2. The votes were:
** 2.2.1: (-0 Jean) (+1 Sergiu) (+0 GL) (+1 Silvia) (+0 Andreea) (+1 Manu)
** 2.2.2: (+1 Jean) (+0 Sousa) (+1 GD) (+1 Caty) (-1 Sergiu)
Adjustments:
Since Segiu voted -1 on 2.2.2 we couldn't pick this version until the
committer changes his vote, given the arguments.
Given Sergiu's arguments I want to change my vote for 2.2.2 from +1 -> +0
and give variant 2.2.1 a +1 vote.
My rationale behind this change is that:
* initially I preferred using links to display the language in order to be
consistent with edit mode (language selection)
* because of space constraints I believe is better to use a menu to display
them
* since it's a menu, I agree it should have the standard menu look
* from an implementation point of view is easier to use the Bootstrap's
menu component than to write a custom one for our case
So the current votes are:
** 2.2.1: (-0 Jean) (+1 Sergiu) (+0 GL) (+1 Silvia) (+0 Andreea) (+1 Manu)
(+1 Caty)
** 2.2.2: (+1 Jean) (+0 Sousa) (+1 GD) (+0 Caty) (-1 Sergiu)
** 2.2.1: { '1': (-0) (+4) } { '0': (-1) (+2) } = +4
** 2.2.2: { '1': (-1) (+2) } { '0': (-0) (+2) } = +1
If you want to change your vote or cast another vote, please reply to this
message. Until then, the winning solution is 2.2.1
Thanks,
Caty
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Manuel Smeria wrote:
Hello,
I'm +1 for this proposal.
I like 2.1.1, 2.2.1 & 2.2.3, but if I were to pick one I'd go with 2.2.1.
Thanks,
Manuel
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <
gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
To me Flamingo can be used for a public wiki (without the app bar), which
has not the same meaning as "public website" which is not necessary a
"wiki" (see:
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Leiothrix+Skin ).
> Thanks
> -Vincent
> > > IMO it's more important
to be better displayed when you want to
> > > create a new translation, than when you read one.
> > > > > Regarding the
flag to represent languages you can read this comment
> with
> > > additional information about why we wouldn't do it like that
> > > >
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9512?focusedCommentId=77895&page=com…
languages
could
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http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs 2014-08-21 11:00 GMT+02:00 vincent(a)massol.net :
AFAIK
On 21 Aug 2014 at 10:57:36, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau (
gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote:
> Hi
>
> 2014-08-21 9:58 GMT+02:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) :
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > First of all we need to decide how prominent we want this
functionality to
> > be.
> > I would make it more transparent, since theoretically you should
change
> > your language preference just once (in
the Administration, and per
user)
> > and all the pages should be displayed according to that preference.
This is
> > not something that need to be highly visible and that you would
change
> > > every day.
> >
> >
> > It's not true on a public wiki (like Wikipedia).
>
> That’s a good point, we need to agree which skin we’re discussing. we’re
discussing Flamingo which is NOT a public web site skin. When we
do a
public web site skin we would need to take this
into consideration
indeed.
>
>
> > Thanks,
> > Caty
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Denis Gervalle wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Cathy,
> > >
> > > 2.1.1 is the one I prefer, 2.1.2 is also good but the separation
between
> > > language should be more clear, and it is less easy to see the
active
> > one. I
> > > have no fear about the scaling issue, even heavily multilingual
site
like
> > > those of the European Commission use such enumeration without
issue.
> And
> > > as
> > > > Guillaume said, it is really rare to have more than a few > >
anyway.
> > > Other proposal implies multiple click/touch for the same purpose,
which
> > is
> > > bad IMO for content. It is also important to only display
effectively
> > > available languages, but with an
enum, it could be also good to
have
the
> > > option to also display unavailable one greyed, so language keep
their
> > > location on screen.
> > >
> > > Regarding the UI language, 1.1 is fine, but maybe a bit large.
Having
> > > only
> > > > initial in the bar would be better IMO. Having also a more fancy
> > > solution,
> > > > like what I have done with bluebird (see http://softec.lu), be
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/InterfaceAndContentLanguage…
> > nice
> > > to have as well... or a easy way to customize it that way with an
> > > extension.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> > > valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi devs,
> > > >
> > > > We have http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-10745 (Improve the
display
> > of
> > > > available languages in Flamingo) which is related to
> > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-6402 (Separate Interface
language
> > and
> > > > page language settings)
> > > >
> > > > While in Flamingo we could just make the language links look
better,
> > > > without changing the functionality, for the future, the
separation
is
> > > > something we might want to tackle, that's why I've created
this
> > proposal
> > > > page
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > I am interested in what you think about the variants.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Caty
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