12 Jul
2016
12 Jul
'16
1:48 p.m.
Hi,
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Ideally we should make the templates independent and
have a dedicated
section in e.x.o.
Users could browse and install them separate.
We should also monitor what templates are interesting and which are not
(although this is a bit hard to do right now).
Of course I also consider we could have better templates or diverse, but
this is not the point now.
The point is to add some templates and better show this feature. Since we
are very generic it's hard to tell what templates each category of users
would need. That's why it would be better for them to select them, but they
should be aware that they have this possibility.
So currently the vote is favorable. I'm waiting until tomorrow so see if we
have any blockers.
Still not sure about how we should implement them best: in platform or in
e.x.o? As a package or separate?
My preference goes towards a templates package, for start, in contrib, that
is included in the default flavor.
Thanks,
Eduard
Thanks,
Caty
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/TemplatesDefault#HProposal
and
be
idea
> > > (e.g. another meeting report, with a different layout) because
would
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/TemplatesDefault/WebHom…
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Hi,
+1, generally.
I also feel a bit frustrated by the seeming redundancy of having both
Article and Encyclopedia on one side and Meeting Report and Simple page
onthe other, since from a helicopter view they are 95% identical.
However,
I believe that the whole point of templates is to
have a very specialized
usecase that is answered and that the user can immediately use. If every
time someone wants a simple page, but selects meeting notes and removes a
lot of formatting, then they will just end up creating a simple page
template.
These are just a couple of usages that we consider to be very common and
which we decide to offer some help by default (in the default flavor).
Others could be added (even from Caty`s extended list), since we`re
missing
tables, macros and many other useful XWiki
features that are otherwise
hard
to discover.
Thanks,
Eduard
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Alexandru Cotiuga <
alexandru.cotiuga(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> + 1 for all
> The difference between Article and Encyclopedia could be increased by
> adding other specific elements on each one's layout.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In case we don't like a particular Template, then the best strategy
is
to
> > have individual votes for them.
> >
> > @Anca, from your feedback is hard to know if you prefer Article over
> > Encyclopedia.
> >
> > Since we need to release 8.2 final at the end of the week I would
like
to
see.
> advance with this topic: either by
committing all the proposed
templates
or
> just a subset, but I need more opinions.
>
> Status:
> 1. Article (Article page): +1 Vincent, +1 Caty
> 2. Encyclopedia (Encyclopedia page): +1 Vincent, +1 Caty
> 3. Meeting Report (Agenda and notes): 1+ Vincent, +1 Caty, +1 Anca
> 4. Simple Page (With table of content): +1 Vincent, +1 Caty, +1 Anca
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Anca Luca <lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> > valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Anca Luca <lucaa(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello Caty,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> > > > > valicac(a)gmail.com
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > By default there are not many page templates an user could
> >
> > > In order for users to understand the power and purpose of
XWiki,
it
> > > would
> > > > > be helpful to add more content templates by default.
> > > > >
> > > > > Content Templates are templates that don't belong to a
particular
> >
> > application, but provides an initial content structure. The
templates
> > > will
> > > > be suggested in the creation step.
> > > >
> > > > Here are some templates we could add by default:
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
> > > > > > 1. Article
> > > > > > 2. Encyclopedia
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I think these two are the same one, they should be collapsed
into
> > only
> > > > one
> > > > > template. I don't really understand the differences between
these
>
two.
> > > >
> > >
> > > The differences are in layout.
> > >
> >
> > In my opinion this is not enough to have both of them. For me, the
goal
> > of
> > > the templates by default is to help discover the template feature its
> > benefits to users, and the way to do that would be to show
interesting
> > > usecases of the template feature. Having two templates for the same
> > usecase
> > > but with different layout is not aligned with this goal, but would more
> aligned with the goal of showing that we can do different fancy
layouts.
In
> addition, this logic would allow to have multiple templates for the
other
> > usecases as well, with different layout, which would not be a good bloat
> the list...
>
> Anyone else?
>
> Thanks,
> Anca
>
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 3. Meeting
> > > >
> > >
> > > Should be called Meeting Report (or meeting notes), so that the
> > difference
> > > with the meeting extension is more obvious.
> > >
> >
> > I will use "Meeting Report"
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > 4. Simple Page
> > > >
> > >
> > > Should have the word Table of Contents in the name, so that its
purpose
> > is
> > > obvious from the start (otherwise "simple page" and the default
"blank
> > > page" are not very easy to differentiate ).
> > >
> > >
> > The difference is viewed in the Description, see
> >
> >
>
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Caty
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Another template could be added, "Index page", with a
simple
> > livetable
> > > > > listing all the children (and descendants) pages of the current
> page.
> > > > It's
> > > > > handy when creating the root page of a subtree on the wiki
(would
> > have
> > > > the
> > > > > same purpose as "Dashboard", to be a scripted homepage
from
where
the
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> > > subtree of that page can be
accessed).
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anca
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > You can test them on
> > > >
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/TemplatesDefault/
> (use
> > > the
> > > > Create button)
> > > >
> > > > Please vote if you agree these templates should be added by
default
> or
> > > > otherwise let me know your feedback.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Caty
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