13 Feb
2011
13 Feb
'11
10:23 a.m.
Hi,
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com
wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 17:07, Anca Luca <lucaa(a)xwiki.com wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 02/09/2011 03:53 PM, Thibaut DEVERAUX wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > ** Partial ou Full ?*
> > >
> > > Partial !
> > >
> > > Just imagin the full solution with a 1920px resolution...
> > > ... Long lines, text on the right, button far on the left, on what am I
> > > clicking on already ?
> >
> > But also imagine a modest 1366 screen like mine, with a cluttered form
> > to the left (see look & feel -> presentation, it's a very good
default
> > example), in which I cannot read what's written because all the text is
> > longer than the inputs in which is written, all these while I can see a
> > superb empty, snowwhite, half of screen to the right of this form.
> >
> > I agree that long inputs can cause issues, but filling the space with
> > potentially less useful stuff while the form stays cluttered to the
> > left, just because we don't want to have inputs that scale in the whole
> > page it also not that good.
> >
> > I know that it doesn't work on all browsers (or it's not really
> > straightforward to), but we might want to put a max-width (and or
> > min-width) to the inputs, around 800 or so, which is decent.
> >
> > I'm not a strong advocate of full, although on my screen (1366) and to
> > my eye it looks very well. All I know is that we shouldn't have a form
> > in which you cannot read anything with white space beside it.
> >
> >
> I think the solution to this problem is:
> - have min-width: 450px; on controls (IE6 doesn't support this - that's
> life)
>
+1, yes partial width with a minimum width.
- replace Presentation > Footer >
"Copyright notice" and "Version" with
textareas instead of inputs. When the content is too big to accommodate the
control we select a better suited control.
+1. An input being very wide is hard to read. It would be better to have the
display less large and therefore on several lines using textarea.
I am also big +1 for help (tooltips) on the right part that. You don't want
to go read documentation everytime you want to change a configuration. That
would greatly improve user experience. Makes a lot of sense to add help tips
where you actually need those
Thanks,
Thibaut
Thanks,
Caty
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** Having anotations on the left.*
Nice idea. It helps a lot on such complicated things as the wiki
configuration.
If possible, each explanation could be on the front of the field it is
related to make it easier to read.
Have a nice day
Thibaut DEVERAUX
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2011/2/9 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)<valicac(a)gmail.com>
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 14:25, Marius Dumitru Florea<
> mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Caty,
>>
>> On 02/09/2011 12:21 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Since XE 3.0M2 we have a new administration look (
>>>
>>
>
>>
).
>>>
>>> There was a debate if the forms should be full width or not.
>>>
>>> *Variants*:
>>> 1) *Partial Width* (current):
>>>
>>
>
>>> 2) *Full Width*:
>>>
>>
>
>>>
>>> What's the benefit of enforcing the same width? I think I prefer the
>>> width to depend on the size of the information displayed (for select
>>> boxes) or expected to be entered (text input). For instance if I have
a
>>
text input for entering a small number I wouldn't like it to span the
>> entire page width. Same for a select box with options of small length
>> (e.g. Yes/No).
>>
>>
> Until the form standard, we had all kinds of sizes for text inputs,
> textareas, select boxes. This created a very messy/not standardized
> feeling.
>
> Test: remove "xform" class from<form class="xform half".
Results:
>
>
>
>
>
> Having all controls the same width the form layout presents itself
> differently: it look compact, aligned and unitary.
>
> Beside the unitary look, you can have also some technical reasons. The
> other
> solution beside a 100% width for most of the controls, would have been
to
>> set some standardized sizes for each type of control. This sizes are
>> already
>> defined in "Size" column of the "Usage" category
>> http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/DevGuide/VerticalForms and >
recommended to be used on future forms (and also to be modified on the
old
>> forms - already done for some forms I revised).
>> The problem with this approach is that this means that we should have
>> changed all the existing code that contained forms elements in order >> the
>> forms to look unitary and standardized.
>> Also, some browsers (like IE) don't render the same width for
different
>
controls even if you specify the same size (ex.<input type='text'
> size='60'
> will be longer than<input type='password' size='60' ). So this
means
again
> different widths, more frustration (obs. even
with width 100% for all
> controls,<select> is still rendered shorter).
>
> From an usability point of view, the restricted cases where we should
> adjust
> the width of our form fields so it matches the length of the expected
input
> are: credit card number (16 digits), credit
card security code (4
digits),
>> dates (2 digits + x + 4digits, but this case can be replaced with >> solutions: date pickers, selects, etc).
This are some of the cases
where
we
we
> know the exact size of the field and can act
accordingly. Beside them,
> there
> are no rules and all is limited to what the developer/designer thinks
fits
>> the layout. We already have an exception for "Inline" layout forms (
>> http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/DevGuide/InlineForms ) and can
>> make styles also for the cases mentioned above, but those cases are
not
>> encountered in XE standard
distribution.
>>
>> Hope this answers the question,
>> Caty
>>
>>
>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marius
>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Test*: You can test this "partial"/"full" width on
your resolution
by
>>>> removing "half" class
from "<form class='xform half"" definition.
>>>>
>>>> *Considerations*:
>>>> - When voting please consider that the width will be set for small
and
>>> high
>>>> resolutions (that until we will improve our skin to detect the
>>> resolutions
>>>> change).
>>>> - You should consider how form controls look (readability,
usability)
> on
>>> different sizes, like<select>, input, textarea, etc.
>>>
>>> *Other Solutions*:
>>> A. The problem is that on large resolution is hard to read the
controls
>>>> because the form are too wide - on small resolution there is unused
>>> space. A
>>>> solution would be to use CSS media queries and adjust the width for
>>> smaller
>>>> resolutions.
>>>> B. Another solution would be to use the additional space given by
>>> partial width and provide some extra help for the sections, see
>>> smaller resolution:
>>>
>>
>
>>> higher resolution:
>>>
>>
>
>>>
>>> *Vote*:
>>> You can use the poll made for this vote:
>>>
>>
>
>>>> or if you don't have an
account on incubator, just reply to this
mail.
>> Please cast you votes.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Caty
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