6 Apr
2008
6 Apr
'08
9:44 p.m.
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi Squirrel,
If it were that simple! There's no silver bullet unfortunately. Adding
stuff that suddenly makes the application faster, better, etc with no
change to the application is very rare... :)
Or maybe I missed what you were saying?
Well, I didn't mean no change to the application, I mean no bigger changes
which would force the user to do some changes too. Ie. if you change some
tables or changes new things / features who would break the customization
the user did to the skin ie.. It's only general speaking, but as a user I
don't want any surprises ;-)
That's an interesting statement that requires more input:
1) Why do you need to upgrade?
2) Why is hard to upgrade?
1) If something is new you can bet your a..money that the user want it.
Beside often there are improvements which the user drools over. Sometimes
they are security updates so you should update (I'm speaking now generally)
2) I'm coming from the Joomla! crowd and for me it was a lot easier to
update my Joomla installation than the Xwiki. Also the installation itself
was way more straight forward (ie. the config file was set up during the
installation and stable even after updates). Nevertheless, I'm now a Xwiki
user ;-)
Re the stable/branch/etc that's exactly what we
do... :)
We have the milestones/RC that last for about 3-4 months so we only
release a new version every 3-4 months. We can hardly call this quick!
Moreover you should know that the longer a release the less stable it
is in general since there are more stuff in it. From a user point of
view the best is to get the shortest possible release cycle. This is
what ensures the best quality in general. The Hudson project for
example releases every day or every 2 days and that's the greatest
possible. I'd love that we be able to do that with XWiki and this is
my personal target.
Thanks for your feedback.
-Vincent
I'm coming from the Joomla/Drupal corner and therefore I'm more used to
longer release cycles for bigger improvements. I have nothing against
frequent updates on the stable branch (security fixes, minor improvements)
as long as they don't break things and somehow I have the feeling if Xwiki
gets more attention from the general user side (not developers or advanced
users) that could lead into trouble as users will start howling (but right
now the entry barrier is too high for the average Joomla!-user, IMHO). I'm
not so sure if it's indeed the best thing for the user to get daily updates,
in the labor this might work, but out in the wild there are maybe way more
side-effects and they need time to pop-up...
However, my statements are not really qualified, so I'm sure you will do the
right thing and I hope you get my statements not wrong in anyway. :-)