Re: [xwiki-devs] [UX][Vote] Content Templates by default

On 12 Jul 2016, at 13:48, Eduard Moraru &lt;enygma2002(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Ideally we should make the templates independent and have a dedicated > section in e.x.o. > Users could browse and install them separate. > > We should also monitor what templates are interesting and which are not > (although this is a bit hard to do right now). > > Of course I also consider we could have better templates or diverse, but > this is not the point now. > The point is to add some templates and better show this feature. Since

> are very generic it's hard to tell what templates each category of users > would need. That's why it would be better for them to select them, but

> should be aware that they have this possibility. > > So currently the vote is favorable. I'm waiting until tomorrow so see

> have any blockers. > > Still not sure about how we should implement them best: in platform or

My preference goes towards a templates package, for start, in contrib,

is included in the default flavor.

Thanks, Eduard > > Thanks, > Caty > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Eduard Moraru &lt;enygma2002(a)gmail.com&gt; > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> +1, generally. >> >> I also feel a bit frustrated by the seeming redundancy of having both >> Article and Encyclopedia on one side and Meeting Report and Simple page >> onthe other, since from a helicopter view they are 95% identical. > However, >> I believe that the whole point of templates is to have a very

>> usecase that is answered and that the user can immediately use. If

>> time someone wants a simple page, but selects meeting notes and

>> lot of formatting, then they will just end up creating a simple page >> template. >> >> These are just a couple of usages that we consider to be very common

>> which we decide to offer some help by default (in the default flavor). >> Others could be added (even from Caty`s extended list), since we`re > missing >> tables, macros and many other useful XWiki features that are otherwise > hard >> to discover. >> >> Thanks, >> Eduard >> >> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Alexandru Cotiuga < >> alexandru.cotiuga(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> + 1 for all >>> The difference between Article and Encyclopedia could be increased by >>> adding other specific elements on each one's layout. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alex >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>> valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> In case we don't like a particular Template, then the best strategy > is >> to >>>> have individual votes for them. >>>> >>>> @Anca, from your feedback is hard to know if you prefer Article over >>>> Encyclopedia. >>>> >>>> Since we need to release 8.2 final at the end of the week I would > like >> to >>>> advance with this topic: either by committing all the proposed >> templates >>> or >>>> just a subset, but I need more opinions. >>>> >>>> Status: >>>> 1. Article (Article page): +1 Vincent, +1 Caty >>>> 2. Encyclopedia (Encyclopedia page): +1 Vincent, +1 Caty >>>> 3. Meeting Report (Agenda and notes): 1+ Vincent, +1 Caty, +1 Anca >>>> 4. Simple Page (With table of content): +1 Vincent, +1 Caty, +1 Anca >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Caty >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Anca Luca &lt;lucaa(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>>>> valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Anca Luca &lt;lucaa(a)xwiki.com&gt; >> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Caty, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>>>>>> valicac(a)gmail.com >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> By default there are not many page templates an user could > see. >>>>>>>> In order for users to understand the power and purpose of >> XWiki, >>> it >>>>>> would >>>>>>>> be helpful to add more content templates by default. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Content Templates are templates that don't belong to a >> particular >>>>>>>> application, but provides an initial content structure. The >>>> templates >>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> be suggested in the creation step. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here are some templates we could add by default: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

>>>>>>>> 1. Article >>>>>>>> 2. Encyclopedia >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think these two are the same one, they should be collapsed > into >>>> only >>>>>> one >>>>>>> template. I don't really understand the differences between > these >>>> two. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The differences are in layout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In my opinion this is not enough to have both of them. For me, the >> goal >>>> of >>>>> the templates by default is to help discover the template feature > and >>> its >>>>> benefits to users, and the way to do that would be to show >> interesting >>>>> usecases of the template feature. Having two templates for the same >>>> usecase >>>>> but with different layout is not aligned with this goal, but would > be >>>> more >>>>> aligned with the goal of showing that we can do different fancy >>> layouts. >>>> In >>>>> addition, this logic would allow to have multiple templates for the >>> other >>>>> usecases as well, with different layout, which would not be a good >> idea >>>>> (e.g. another meeting report, with a different layout) because > would >>>> bloat >>>>> the list... >>>>> >>>>> Anyone else? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Anca >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3. Meeting >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Should be called Meeting Report (or meeting notes), so that the >>>>>> difference >>>>>>> with the meeting extension is more obvious. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I will use "Meeting Report" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4. Simple Page >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Should have the word Table of Contents in the name, so that its >>>> purpose >>>>>> is >>>>>>> obvious from the start (otherwise "simple page" and the default >>>> "blank >>>>>>> page" are not very easy to differentiate ). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> The difference is viewed in the Description, see >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

>>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Caty >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Another template could be added, "Index page", with a simple >>>> livetable >>>>>>> listing all the children (and descendants) pages of the current >>> page. >>>>>> It's >>>>>>> handy when creating the root page of a subtree on the wiki > (would >>>> have >>>>>> the >>>>>>> same purpose as "Dashboard", to be a scripted homepage from > where >>> the >>>>>>> subtree of that page can be accessed). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Anca >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can test them on >>>>>>>> >>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/TemplatesDefault/ >>>>> (use >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Create button) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please vote if you agree these templates should be added by >>> default >>>>> or >>>>>>>> otherwise let me know your feedback. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Caty >>>>>>>> _________