25 Sep
2014
25 Sep
'14
12:41 p.m.
I like your proposition Guillaume. It also makes appear that we
definitively need a Space Index page, that will be consistent with the Wiki
Index.
2014-09-25 12:31 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Lerouge <guillaume(a)xwiki.com>om>:
Hi,
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
guillaume(a)xwiki.com
this
action
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Guillaume Delhumeau (gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
Committer on the XWiki.org project
Hi Guillaume,
I have started a new discussion [1] on the topic of the new location of
the
Add menu in Flamingo which is, IMO, the real
problem here.
I'll answer on this thread.
However, I stand by my point that creating a wiki or a space are different
actions compared from adding a new page and as thus should be treated
differently.
Regarding your actual proposal, I`d be inclined to -1 it, as IMO it makes
basic CRUD operations on the wiki model harder to
perform (i.e. harder to
find), and what we`d like to do is help people create content and
structure, not the other way around.
I agree with the logic but I'm not sure I'm 100% in line with the
conclusion. As you said, the goal is to help users create and structure
their content.
Right now, when looking at existing installs, I often see cases where users
created several spaces with similar names (which doesn't really help
structure information). This is mainly because they didn't know that a
space with a similar name already existed. Similarly, you wouldn't want
someone to create a "Communication" wiki if the
"MarketingCommunication"
wiki already exists.
This is why I'm proposing to place "Create" buttons in context. I see at
least 3 places where this could be useful:
- "Create wiki" button on http://<server>/xwiki/bin/view/WikiManager/
- "Create space" button on hypothetical
http://<server>/xwiki/bin/view/Main/SpacesIndex
(similar to what we already have on the Dashboard)
- "Create user" button on http://<server>
/xwiki/bin/view/Main/UserDirectory
So from my point of view, by putting those buttons on those pages they
would actually be easier to find and understand for end-users.
Thanks,
Guillaume
Thanks,
Eduard
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[1] http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/jqbcj4p4ryc56sms
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
in
Hi,
We improved the things a bit by implementing
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-10928
Now users can more rapidly create pages by using the implicit value of
'Add'.
Having all the option (Create Wiki, Create Space, Create Page) in the
menu
> is important IMO since you can create spaces (and wikis) from anywhere > the wiki. You don't need to be in a
certain location to do this action.
>
> I agree about having a Space Index of some sort and have a consistent
way
of
localizing/navigating Wikis/Spaces/Pages. Something similar to this
idea
> was the Explorer proposal
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ExplorerApp
>
> Another related issue to this subject is
> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9440, but again I think XWIKI-10928
> <http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-10928> improved the problem.
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <
wrote:
> Hi Devs,
>
> I'm currently testing XE 6.2, it's a great release, I love the new
look a
> lot - well done guys!
>
> I have a quick remark that is related to the new location of the
"Create"
> > button. I think we should move the "create wiki" and "create
space"
> options
> > from where they are located now.
> >
> > The "Create wiki" button could be moved under the list of wikis on
> > page:
http://<server>/xwiki/bin/view/WikiManager/
> >
> > We would probably need a similar "space index" page with the
"Create
> space"
> > button there, a bit like what we have on the dashboard now: http://
> > <server>/xwiki/bin/view/Dashboard/
> >
> > The objective being that when doing those create actions, they would
be
> done
with the context of the wikis / spaces that already exist.
>
> What is also a bit confusing for users is that since creating a new
wiki
> is
> > much much bigger and less frequent than creating a new page, the >
should not be available from every single page.
>
> This issue has become much more salient than before to me because of
the
new
location of the "Create" button. What's your opinion about this?
Thanks,
Guillaume
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