29 Jun
2012
29 Jun
'12
4:57 p.m.
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Hi Caty,
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
It's the fastest way to solve the issue at hand, with the lowest overhead.
Caty, you could even offer it right away as an extension on
extensions.xwiki.org , you simply need to create a wiki macro. We could
call it "gadget text" if that makes you feel better.
One idea is that the Add gadget button should open a custom Gadget dialog
IMO the strategy should always be the same (whatever the topic):
1) Agree about where we want to go
2) Decide how to get there
3) Possibly decide about creating temporary technical debt because 1) would take too long
and the feature/issue is needed quickly
What's wrong is to jump to 3) without thinking about 1) because:
* you may be making incompatible choices
* it's very very difficult to remove something
* 1) might not be that hard
Also having that macro on e.x.o is not going to help at all. No users is going to look
for it and install it before editing his/her dashboard.
IMO what's not nice is how we hijacked the Macro editor. It makes it unnecessarily
complex for the user.
If instead we present the user with the standard WYSIWYG editor and the same ability as
he already knows about to add content it'll be much more effective.
On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
I was thinking about the exact same idea after doing a demo yesterday :-)
Hi,
I have received numerous complains that simple users have problems in
editing the content and title of the Welcome block ("Welcome to you wiki"
gadget) from the homepage.
There are multiple factors that influence the editing of that particular
gadget and that make the job especially harder for beginners.
One of these factors is that the gadget used to display the Welcome
content
is an "include" gadget. Without some
custom actions for the gadget that
would let the user navigate to the included page or without some
auto-redirect mechanism, the simple users have difficulties in
understanding where the welcome content is coming from and what actions
they need to do in order to edit that content.
Also the "include" macro has a lot of advanced properties that can be
scary
and confusing for users (context, reference,
section, type, etc.).
My proposal is to create a new "text" gadget. This gadget will be
very-very
simple and will contain just the gadget's
title and the gadget's content.
Its only purpose will be to let users add textual information inside a
dashboard.
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/EditingWelcomeMess…
Right now
we have specialized gadgets for HTML content, velocity content,
code in general, boxes, success messages, etc. but no way to put just a
simple text inside the dashboard.
Indeed when editing the dashboard we should be able to not use a gadget
and instead type directly the content in wysiwyg mode.
I don't think we should have a "text" macro though.
box that allows to specify the title and for the
content it should display
the WYSIWYG editor, thus allowing to insert macros like for any content.
This means changing the existing dashboard architecture which is going to
take ages, with nobody assigned to it right now. Caty's solution is both
faster and simpler.
I'm +1! It shouldn't be complex since we already have all
the pieces. Since I've not been close to this code I'm curious to get feedback
from Anca and Marius about the idea and the time it would take to achieve it.
Most of the time the user wants to add a gadget to the dashboard, not
to create one. And 'add' implies selecting a gadget from a list. I'm
not sure that displaying a WYSIWYG editor (rich text area) when
clicking the "Add Gadget" will make things more clear. The user will
probably ask herself "What now?". Is she going to know that a 'gadget'
is a macro? Keeping the list of gadgets and having a special one whose
content is editable with the WYSIWYG editor seems to me as the best
solution. Now, displaying the WYSIWYG editor for the content of this
special gadget might require some hacks.
Thanks,
Marius
Thanks
-Vincent
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