On 10/10/2011 02:55 PM, Alex Busenius wrote:
Hi,
I'm -1 for the idea of moving votes about some selected topics to a
secret mailing list.
The most important point of public votes is to provide transparency to
the community, which not only consists of informing the community of
secretly made decisions, but also explaining why those decisions were
made and leaving a possibility for everyone to discuss and interact with
the committers. Remember, that by our rules, anyone is allowed to vote,
it's just that only the committers have a binding vote.
I agree that choosing and excluding new committers are sensitive topics,
so it makes sense to discuss such things in private first, but the
actual vote should be public, with committers standing behind their
votes and with enough time for others (i.e. for not-committers) to speak
up and influence the vote.
Informally, this is what happened so far. When someone feels that it's
time to propose a new committer, he first consults in private with some
of the most active committers to get their feedback. If everybody feels
the same way, then the vote is started on the devs list.
I agree that the final vote should be public, so the only thing that
could happen on the private mailing list is to gather this "is it time
or not" general feeling. The advantage of the committers mailing list is
that it can be seen by more than the 2-3 developers usually contacted
via Skype, and, given that more and more committers are not from XWiki
SAS, and we don't stay in touch on Skype, it does make sense to have a
common place for this discussion.
So I'm +0 for a private mailing list for sensitive
topics (+0 because I
don't see how contacting 15 people that are all in the same skype chat
once a year is hard), but we should not vote there.
Thanks,
Alex
On 10.10.2011 15:05, Vincent Massol wrote:
> Hi devs,
>
> There are a few topics that are not supposed to be public or that would be better be
not public.
>
> One such topic is when we want to VOTE someone as a committer. It's very
uncomfortable to do this in the open for the following reasons:
> * committers are tempted to VOTE +1 since voting negatively is seen publicly,
including by the person being voted on
> * it's very undelicate to have this in the open especially if the person is voted
down since that'll affect that person's morale and future participation in the
project
>
> So I'd like to propose creating a committers(a)xwiki.org list with the following
characteristics:
> * private, visible only to committers
>
> I also propose it to use it for voting committers.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
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