14 Mar
2014
14 Mar
'14
10:30 a.m.
A possible thought for the future:
During installation and in Admin panel:
[x] Help developers improve XWiki by sending anonymized statistics ?
Thanks,
Caleb
On 03/12/2014 08:46 PM, Jeremie BOUSQUET wrote:
Hi,
2014-03-12 10:36 GMT+01:00 Caleb James DeLisle <cjd(a)hyperboria.ca>ca>:
It seems to me this is a call for a census.
Indeed as Vincent points out,
Enterprise can't upgrade really anything overnight... but we must beware
of user relationships which are not mutually beneficial.
If (for example) there is only one user who requires IE8 support and it
costs an additional 30 man/hours per month to continue support, IMO the
one user who requires it owes that time to the project.
I'm going to abstain from voting until I know:
#1 how many users need this (best if we can value the users in terms of
how much they contribute to the project, either directly or through
support contracts with developers who contribute).
That doesn't seem really logical to me ... If 10% users contribute and use
IE10, but 90% of users do not contribute but use IE8, you would be ready to
cut yourselves from 90% of your users ?
#2 how many man/hours per month will be required in order to keep up IE8
support.
IMO that's the only really important point for you, I would say. It is
known that IE8 is 4 years old, less and less used and so on. If you can't
affort supporting it, I think any user can understand that. If workload is
very limited, then you have advantage to keep supporting it. And if some
users really need IE8, they can add missing support through contribution I
suppose (given, it's not of overwhelming complexity, of course). But you
could also stop supporting IE8 AND integrate Respond.js as a "best effort"
approach, seems almost independant to me (depending, of course, on the cost
of integrating Respond.js).
Does this seem logical?
Caleb
On 03/11/2014 03:12 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
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Hi devs,
This mail is about voting to drop support for IE8 in 6.x cycle.
The issue is more complicated, since according to our 'Browser Support
Strategy' [1] we are supporting IE8, IE9 and the latest versions of FF,
Chrome (+ Safari5).
IE8 was released in March 2009 (4 years ago)
IE9 - March 2011 (2 years ago)
IE10 - Sept 2012 (17 months ago)
IE11 - Oct 2013 (4 month ago)
With the release of IE11 some companies also dropped their support for
IE9,
so we should also adjust our support strategy by
supporting newer
browsers
(IE10, IE11) and dropping the support for old
ones (IE8, IE9).
According to Statcounter for the last 6 month period
http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser_version-ww-monthly-201309-201402-barthe
most popular IE browsers are IE10 (8.48%) and IE8 (7.98%).
While the market share is not neglectable there is something you need to
consider:
In 6.x we want to add a new skin: Flamingo. Ideally this skin should be
responsive. In order to assure responsiveness we need media query
support.
IE8 doesn't has support for media query
natively, we would need
Respond.js
[2] to enable it.
While this solution exist, 6.x will be ready at the end of 2014 when I
suspect the market share for IE8 will drop.
Additional to not having media query support, there are other CSS3
properties and HTML5 elements that are not fully supported by IE8
(border-radius, box-shadow, transition, etc.).
This is my +1 to drop support for IE8 in 6.x
Thanks,
Caty
[1] http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy
[2] https://github.com/scottjehl/Respond
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