28 Nov
2008
28 Nov
'08
3:54 p.m.
On Nov 28, 2008, at 2:59 PM, Laurent Lunati wrote:
Le 28 nov. 08 à 14:12, Vincent Massol a écrit :
I'm surprised by your reaction Laurent.
JV is proposing to have a 2 step wizard for inserting an image. I
comment that the second step is not necessary IMO since it only
contains optional features that are not going to be used in the
majority of cases (especially if we agree that resizing should be done
inline and not in the dialog box - You didn't even answer that part,
does it mean you think resizing should not be done inline?) and you
end up the conversation saying that you don't know what to answer...
I think you're missing the fact that a good discussion is always
healthy. You might think that you're always right and that there's no
point in discussing with others but that's simply not true. Look at
your initial proposal with 5 wizard screens. This is what we would
have now if we had blindly accepted your proposal. I'm glad we didn't
since this has lead to thinking more about it and JV proposed the
treeview solution which has had unanimous approval and is better
according to everyone.
OTOH maybe you're fed up discussing because you've already discussed
all this with JV before. Fair enough but then none of us was involved
and we can't know what was discussed.
In addition I don't think we're far from having found our best
solution. Once more my only remaining concern is to systematically
force users to go through a second screen that they would not use.
While this is ok the first time I think it would hamper usability
after a few image insertions. Actually I have another concern which is
how to use the treeview to efficiently choose an image. While choosing
the image based on its name is possible I remember seeing other wikis
that are doing better by showing image galleries to pick from.
Hope you'll reconsider and continue discussing here.
Thanks
-Vincent
On Nov 28, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Laurent Lunati wrote:
I really don't know what to anser.... so starting here i stop to
discuss.
Le 28 nov. 08 à 12:35, Jean-Vincent Drean a écrit :
Exactly my point! This is exactly why I've always thought it was
better to show the second screen so that the user can see what the
options are before clicking on insert (that's proposal 3).
The more I think of this and the more I think it's wrong to use a
wizard to *force* a second optional step for inserting an image
(especially when in the second screen won't be used at all in most
cases).
Resizing an image is not an option that people will systematically
choose (quite the opposite) and moreover a much better way to resize
an image is to use the mouse and resize the image directly in the
text
as it's done currently with tinyMCE (only problem being with very
large images spanning more than the viewport). I'd hate to loose that
feature.
The scenario by Laurent below simply shows that using a dialog box to
resize an image is wrong. In order to know the correct size you need
to see it in the page with the rest of the layout so it's way better
to offer mouse handles to resize it inline IMO. On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
>>
>> 2 steps do not seem excessive to me, it's still gonnna be real
>> quick
>> and it
>> adapts well to the various use cases we are faced with (insert
>> link,
>> insert
>> image etc). It has both the benefits from the wizard and the
>> treeview. I
>> think it is a great middle ground between our various proposals.
>
> You didn't comment on my proposal to be able to click insert on
> the
> first screen if you don't need any option applied to the image. I
> think it's reasonable and saves unnecessary clicks.
>
See http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorWikiExplorer#HMo…
I'm fine with this solution, Laurent WDYT of this one ?
JV.
it's not the right way for me, with a direct insert button common
usage is : >> 1 - select
>> 2 - insert
>> 3 - Ho zut
>> 4 - edit ?
>> 5 - ho... am i on the right box ?
>> 6- click on edit (or close the dialogue, in this case delete img and
>> reclick on insert image)
>> 7 - reselect img
>> 8 - ok more options...
>> 9 - ha... yes my image is too big
>> 10 - change option
>> 11 - insert
>>
>> if you have 2 steps on inserting dialogue always display all step,
>> so
>> that user always know where he is
>>
>> laurent