Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] XWiki 2.0 Skin

Vincent Massol wrote: > On Aug 7, 2009, at 9:29 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote: > >> Vincent Massol wrote: >>> On Aug 7, 2009, at 7:13 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote: >>> >>>> Hi devs, >>>> >>>> You can see the proposal for the new skin at >>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Skin20P1 >>>> Comments, opinions and implementation help are welcomed :) >>> Future: >>> * I'd like to see if there's a way to group tags at the top with >>> the >>> rest + potentially move all page information to the top somewhere >> You can't have everything at the top. And I wouldn't like it. When I >> come to a page, I want to see the content. "Content is King". >> Everybody >> who ever used the Web knows that comments are at the bottom. >> Attachments >> too. In many blog platforms tags are at the bottom as well. People >> know >> this. If not, they can learn it. > > What I'd like actually is not the actual content on top of course but > an easy way to navigate to that content (info, attachments, comments, > etc). > Right now we kind of have this already with the action toolbar but I > have the feeling it can be improved and it doesn't have a link to the > page info for example. > > Here's a example: >

The main difference between Confluence/TWiki and XWiki is that they have only links, while we actually display the information. Indeed, having just the links to view comments/attachments/tags at the bottom would be wrong. But we're actually displaying them, which is completely different from putting a link in a toolbar. Thus, comparing the TWiki UI with ours is like "apples and oranges". > Last, Lauren't experiment on

I don't know, I'm not too fond of it. It's invisible information that appears only if you know how to make it visible. I am forced to click to access it. For example the tags are a pretty important piece information (that's why we're considering moving them at the top, to make it more visible), yet I have to click on a label to actually see them. Not to mention that they're unavailable without javascript. Second, when this information appears, it blocks the main content. If we were to put the comments in the same way, as a visitor I wouldn't notice them, and when I open them up, I can't see the content anymore. How can I comment if I can't see what I'm commenting about?

>> WikiPatterns lists a lot of patterns that can push the wiki >> forward or >> backward, but most of them are about people, and not about the >> placement >> of things in the UI. People should encourage each other to use tags >> and >> comments; the fact that we push them higher on the page doesn't mean >> that people will start using them more often; it just annoys by >> standing >> between the user and the content. And after I read the article and >> I'm >> at the bottom, I have to scroll back up to tag or rate it. Or >> should I >> tag a document before actually reading it? > > I also don't want to clutter things. I hate clutter. > > I'm not sure about tags at the top. Twiki does it but I don't like > the > way they've done it. I remember seeing somewhere where it was done in > a non obtrusive way. however if we already have one line for the last > updated it might be too much to have another one maybe. Lauren't page > does it nicely also I think.