14 Mar
2016
14 Mar
'16
9:59 a.m.
On 09 Mar 2016, at 18:46, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Iteration 2:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/XWikiOrgDownload2Layout#HIt…
Changes:
- Separated in 'Demo Installation' and 'Production Installation'
- Listing separated 'Installation notes' and 'Download' button for each
option
Regarding 'Demo'/'Production' terms, Eduard mentioned also:
- 'Small Installation' - 'Larger Production Installation'
- 'Ready to use bundle'
Let me know what you think.
Sounds good. Some comments (I already gave most of them already in the past FTR):
* WAR file for Container —> WAR file for Servlet Container
* A database also needs to be set up and configured -> A database and a Servlet
Container need to be set up and configured
* Graphical installer —> Graphical Installer for All Platforms
* Graphical Windows native installer —> Graphical Installer for Windows
* Standalone package -> ZIP Package (we’re now calling them Demo packagings)
* “use the ZIP distribution” —> “use the ZIP packaging”
* “includes a Jetty container” —> “includes a Jetty Servlet Container” or “Jetty
Server”
* The 3 demo packagings ALL include a Jetty server + HSQLDB database. The way it’s
described make it sound like only the ZIP packaging does. This needs to be fixed.
* The reason for the ZIP package is not exactly what is mentioned; it’s for users who
don’t want/need to use a Graphical Installer.
* The explanation below that starts “If you’re a first time…” is wrong. It should just
say: “These Demo packages are not supposed to be used in production, since the embedded
database does not support large wikis efficiently and is not tuned for a production
usage.”
* “Default set of wiki pages”. Should be removed since we don’t want to encourage this now
(we offer a DW). Instead we should have a link for “other packagings” and point to the
various tutorials + yaourt-, and include the wiki pages there in case someone needs them.
* The text below Production install should also be modified to remove the mention of wiki
pages.
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
Caty
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I prefer "Demo"
Thanks,
Caty
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:22 AM, vincent(a)massol.net <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
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On 22 Feb 2016 at 15:27:04, vincent(a)massol.net (vincent(a)massol.net
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On 19 Feb 2016 at 15:20:09, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) (
valicac@gmail.com(mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
> Hi Vincent,
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 10:19 PM, vincent(a)massol.net
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Caty,
>>
>> On 17 Feb 2016 at 17:44:56, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) (
valicac(a)gmail.com
>> (mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
>>
>>> Fixed the links
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
>>> valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> This proposal wants to improve the current download page layout
found
>> at
>>>> http://enterprise.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Download
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The proposal is here:
>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/
>>>>
>>>> bin/view/Proposal/
>>>>
>>>> XWikiOrgDownload2Layout
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The proposal splits the current information into multiple pages
>> (version,
>>>> type). Make sure you read the "Changes" section from the
proposal.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>
>> I really like the new Download page (LTS, Stable, Dev). Much nicer
and
>> cleaner than the current version! :)
>>
>> However I’m not sure about the second download page with the Local,
>> Server, Debian boxes. There are several issues for me:
>> * The Local packagings can be used on a server
>> * The server packagings can be used locally
>> * The Debian packaging can be used both locally and on a server
>>
>
> So currently the documentation pages use terms like "Standalone
> distribution" and "WAR package". For me these naming are not
user-friendly
> and I might not know what the acronym stands
for or what standalone
means.
> That's why I suggested Local and Server,
since they are more
simplistic but
> yes maybe they are not truly correct. Maybe
we can iterate more on the
> naming but we need an improvement here since we want to encourage
"local"
> testing even for not so technical
users/administrators.
I understand what you wanted but indeed I find the new terms even more
confusing
:)
For me we should think in term of “Using XWiki”. To use XWiki the user
has 2
choices:
A) Download and install it locally (wherever he’s installing the
download from,
could be a laptop, could be a server machine, etc). This is
usually referred as “on premises” by comparison to using it as a service
(cloud, saas, etc).
B) Use it as a service.
For A) the options we have are:
* Demo packagings: those are the options from
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/InstallationStandalone.
They include a pre-installed HSQLDB Database and a Jetty container
Specifically the following installers/packagings:
** the EXE packaging,
** the ZIP packaging,
** the JAR packaging
FWIW Denis suggested the name “Personal packagings”. So we have 2 options
so far:
- Demo packagings (clearly shows they not for production)
- Personal packagings (hints that they are for personal use only, ie
single user wiki)
I think I prefer Demo. WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
* Production-level packagings:
** Debian packaging (all in one installation that includes MySQL and
Tomcat)
** The WAR (the user needs to install both a
Servlet Container and a
Database and deploy the WAR in the Servlet Container)
* Other packagings/setup that are not supported
by the XWiki Core Dev
Team:
** tutorials
** yaourt packaging
For B) the options we have are:
* Demo on playground.xwiki.org(http://playground.xwiki.org)
* myxwiki.org(http://myxwiki.org) for non-profit organizations and
individuals.
Free but no warranties in term of uptime or support. Used as a
real-world test platform by the XWiki Core Dev Team to test the latest
versions of XWiki.
* Cloud and Hosting offers from companies helping
develop the XWiki
open source project (the companies listed at
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Support#HProfessionalSupport
and defined by the xwiki.org(http://xwiki.org) governance at
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Governance):
** From XWiki SAS: XCS
(http://info.xwiki.com/xcs-demo-request.html)
or dedicated hosting
(http://www.xwiki.com/en/services/hosting)
** From Softec or EsPresto AG: link to their web
sites
It would be nice that a user wants to use XWiki he lands on a page
showing the 2
options: install on premises and hosting/cloud solutions.
Then he can drill down and if he wants to install on premises, be able to
select from the various download options.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
>> * Server is not a good differentiator since XWiki is a Server app
even if
>> you install it locally ;)
>> * BTW it’s misising the other tutorials and other packagings (the
yaourt
>> one for example)
>>
>
> To be honest I didn't know what you were referring to until I found
>
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Installation#HUsingyaou…
> When I did the re-design I took the
information from the Download
page and
> the "yaourt" one is missing.
> In order to fix this we could modify the third column called now
"Debian
> Installation" into a other operating
systems ways of installing ( or
> another name ) and list there links towards the Debian and Arch Linux
> install documentation.
>
>
>> * And even more important it’s also missing Cloud solutions. I’d
really
>> like if we could list the various cloud
solutions offered by
companies
>> participating to the xwiki development
(and possibly list
myxwiki.org too
>> but if we list it, we need to put visible
disclaimer since it’s a
test farm
>> with no warranties and for
non-business/personal projects only).
>>
>
> IMO this should be a total different page, let's call it "Test Drive
XWiki"
> or "Try XWiki" or "Evaluate
XWiki" that could showcase Playground,
MyXWiki
> and other Cloud solutions, but this should be
part of a different
proposal
> than the Download page (which lists versions
and install methods).
> Currently I didn't tackled this proposal yet.
>
>
>>
>> So maybe we shouldn’t discriminate between Local, Server, Debian
but
maybe
>> instead between “On-Premises” and
“Cloud”, WDYT?
>>
>
> I'm not sure what "On Premises" means although I know it's an used
term,
> but I don't find it very clear and not
sure if it describes well the
zip,
> war, etc. options.
>
> The problem is that we list the "Local, Server, Debian" install
options
> after you selected the version you want to
download. So I find it a
bit odd
> for an user to be convinced that he wants to
download XWiki, select
his
> version and then be presented with the Cloud
Solutions. Cloud
solutions
> should be part of an evaluation step, before
and independent of the
> download step.
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Caty
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